Pee-Pants loses - again.

[Rideback]

From the appellate court's ruling, where evidence from 3 other accusers and the Access Hollywood tape was ruled admissible because it demonstrated Trump's pattern of attacks. Carroll was not the only one who has suffered from Trump's attacks, the rulings did not solely rely on her word

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The appellate decision affirming E. Jean Carroll’s first jury verdict against Donald Trump is a 77-page foray into rules of evidence. You might be tempted to put it aside. Don’t look away. 1/
Its holdings about the use of testimony from other sexual assault victims and other evidence that shows a defendant’s modus operandi not only will complicate Trump’s continued efforts to fight Carroll’s two jury verdicts but will reverberate throughout federal courts. 2/
Perhaps the most significant part, at least to this observer, is the court refusing to find error in the trial court’s admission of the Access Hollywood tape. 3/
In general, federal evidentiary rules prohibit the admission of a defendant’s “prior bad acts” to show their propensity to commit the crime or conduct at issue. But there are exceptions, including where the evidence tends to show a pattern or modus operandi. 4/
And that’s exactly what, according to the three-judge appellate panel, the tape, coupled with the other accusers’ testimony showed: “a repeated, idiosyncratic pattern of conduct consistent with what Ms. Carroll alleged.” 5/
The panel continued, “In each of the three encounters, Mr. Trump engaged in an ordinary conversation with a woman he barely knew, then abruptly lunged AT her in a semi-public place and proceeded to kiss and forcefully touch her without her consent.” 6/
And those acts, they ruled, “are sufficiently similar to show a pattern or ‘recurring modus operandi.’” 7/
One of my friends told me over the weekend that she has never been so despondent about women’s power, at least the kind of power they obtain and exercise independently, not derivatively from a male parent, partner, or mentor. 8/
And while I wholly appreciate where she is coming from, remember this: 2024 was also the year in which a federal appeals court decided that the word of three women, juxtaposed against the smirking admissions of one man, could justify a game-changing jury verdict. 9/
Even if that man is the former or future president. 10/
p.s. We have been trained to think accountability comes solely through criminal law. Let 2025 be the year that we stop treating civil judgments like prosecutions’ poor relation. What matters, as Gisele Pelicot reminds us, is that the shame changes sides.
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[dorankj]

None of it is debunked just tired of you morons and your TDS while completely ignoring any fair balanced or honest assessment. But nobody is here to even hear you and the rest of the country knows your type are lying through your teeth, so whatever!

[just-jim]

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Always just more ‘what-about-ism’ from you…

A thread on Pee-pants gets hijacked (What about the lacrosse team!!!), then when that gets de-bunked - ‘what about Biden crime family!!!!!’. Congressional committee (a R one) spent 2 years and found zip.

If some one has a credible accusation - then prosecutors will deal with it….thats what they do, dumbo.

It is always ….buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, but what about her e-mails with you….

That you “dont believe the nutball accuser” means NOTHING. A prosecutor did. A Jury did. Several Judges have, and all the Appeal Courts have, also.
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[Rideback]

Biden's accuser recanted a long long time ago and then moved to Russia.
Trump on the other hand has been found guilty by multiple juries of his peers.

[dorankj]

Well I don’t believe that nutball accuser, I also don’t find NY courts against DT a paragon of virtue and justice. You really love to project your own weakness and insecurities on those you attack don’t you? It’s sure interesting you have no interest in Biden’s credible accuser of rape, she has dates and evidence.

[just-jim]

Sometimes people lie in accusations dumba**!

Except that your FELON buddy - Diaper donnie- isn’t ‘accused’! He’s been found GUILTY by a jury and EVERY appeal court he’s been in!

Evidently, you really do think one episode of re-canted testimony really DOES aquit all cases of sexual assault? Or just pee- pants?

You really are too f*cking stupid for belief.

[dorankj]

Sometimes people lie in accusations dumba**!

[just-jim]

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You proved my point again! You never fail to disappoint dumazz!

You really think an 18 yr old case being over-turned automatically absolves your pal - fatso - from HIS crimes? Is so….you have not only drunk all the kool-aid….you are now sucking it strait from the source.

Despicable lack of honor or logic on your part.
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[dorankj]

Did we just find out that the Duke La Crosse accusations were a lie? Nuf said!

[just-jim]

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Now, you are just being plain silly!

Of course White Men can NEVER do wrong!!!
Especially if they are old.
Or ‘Christian’.
Or style themselves as ‘Patriotic’.
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[mister_coffee]

Guessing that the difference between old white guy in golf cart rapist who's a hero and brown skinned worker from Central America who picks fruit is the color of their skin...

This might also explain why a wealthy and powerful illegal immigrant (who happens to be white) can also get away with sexual assault.

https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex- ... uct-2022-5

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A reason, mainly women, but oh yes, the boys that have been abused by the clergy, wait or don't report right away is because of the repercussions they usually face and are dragged through it all over again. Victemized again.
In the case of Carroll, she realized that Donald was going to be a "public servant". And after hearing the tapes from "grab 'em by the pussy", she decided enough is enough.
Think of the many that don't come forward and suffer in silence.
What women need to know is that the voice is powerful and so are teeth. Unless there is a weapon held at their head or a fist. Otherwise, let the attacker have it, by any means necessary. (Of course women have known this for ages but can't always act)

[Rideback]

Guessing that the difference between old white guy in golf cart rapist who's a hero and brown skinned worker from Central America who picks fruit is the color of their skin...

[mister_coffee]

I don't know how we got to such a degenerate point that people would defend rape and a rapist with a straight face. It isn't that hard and I am shocked that so many people can't figure it out:

Rape is bad.
Rapists are bad people.
If you help or enable a rapist, you are doing a bad thing.

I also don't get how the same people who agree that rapists from, say, Honduras are bad can't seem to see the problem with a fat old guy who drives a golf cart raping women.

[just-jim]

Well Snufalufagus/ABC paid out 15m for saying that but of course you guys never seem to mention those. Strange how sure you are from an accuser who can’t even remember when this supposedly occurred and is an obvious nut case! You’ll have been lying your asses off and now everyone gets it.

Typical.

Dorkj thinks his ‘whatabout-ism’ excuses Diaper-Donnie of all transgressions.

ABC chose to not continue a lawsuit over a word they shouldn’t have used in the fashion they did…end of story!

But that DID NOT change the basic facts of the case - UPHELD , AGAIN, TODAY.

This is how a democracy collapses….when people cant separate truth from whatever comes out of Pee-pant’s mouth.
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[Rideback]

An explainer of the ruling as well as an answer for Jingles as to why Carroll didn't report earlier.
https://joycevance.substack.com/p/e-jea ... irect=true

[mister_coffee]

I guess I got my answer. Can't say I am surprised at all.

Let's go on to a hypothetical. Let's say there is a guy (it is almost always a guy) who has multiple accusations of sexual assault. He is also on tape joking about sexually assaulting women. You have never met the guy. Now would you be okay with the school district hiring that person as a teacher or the county hiring him as a cop? And if you were, would you use the same language as the previous posts on this thread to justify why it is okay to hire a sex criminal to your neighbors and friends?

I don't think so.

[Rideback]

Obviously Jingles you know zilch about rape. Men who are raped are even less likely to report it.
Ken, the evidence was presented in a court of law where a jury decided that indeed Trump had assaulted her as well as defamed her. That she kept the dress but Trump would not allow a DNA test is much more telling about his culpability.

When the tape from Access Hollywood was played the jury got a real insight into Trump's real character.

Now that the appeals court has ruled Trump is pretty much SoL, of course he'll appeal to SCOTUS but on what grounds?

[Jingles]

What is questionable to me is these women claiming sexual assault wait 15 to 20 years to file charges or bring the situation to light. Strictly my opinion If the incident wasn't bad enough to bring it to light when happened but they wait until the person is in some kind of limelight the incident isn't even worth considering except the person claiming to be wronged is seeking some kind of notoriety and monetary benefit. Be it some kind of supposed misconduct or even theft off an apple tree

[dorankj]

Well Snufalufagus/ABC paid out 15m for saying that but of course you guys never seem to mention those. Strange how sure you are from an accuser who can’t even remember when this supposedly occurred and is an obvious nut case! You’ll have been lying your asses off and now everyone gets it.

[Rideback]

They didn't believe that he raped her because, you know, rape isn't rape without a penis.

I did run into an old friend this morning in Twisp, a diehard Trumper, who shook his head and told me Trump just wasn't the guy he thought he was. A lot of that going on lately.

[mister_coffee]

I'd just want to know what the thought processes were of people who thought it was okay to vote for a rapist. You wouldn't hire such a person for any job that had even the smallest amount of responsibility or trust required.

Who in their right mind would vote for a rapist for any position of power and responsibility?

[Rideback]

Just this weekend he was calling for her to be jailed. His ongoing slanderous remarks about her are only feeding the back to back cases Carroll has in the queue for defamation.

[just-jim]

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Fatso loses another appeal!

“ A federal appeals court has upheld the $5m verdict against Donald Trump for sexually abusing and defaming the magazine writer E Jean Carroll, dealing a legal setback to the president-elect.

The three-judge panel at the second US circuit court of appeals in Manhattan rejected Trump’s arguments for a new trial, ruling that evidence including testimony from other accusers – as well as the infamous Access Hollywood tape that captured him boasting about how it was normal for him to “grab [women] by the pussy” – was properly admitted.

The May 2023 verdict found Trump liable for sexually assaulting Carroll in a New York department store dressing room in about 1996, 20 years before winning his first presidency, though the jury stopped short of calling the case a rape. The verdict included $2.02m for sexual assault and $2.98m for defaming Carroll in an October 2022 social media post where he called her allegations a “hoax”.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... an-carroll
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