Pasayten's Methow Valley Bulletin Board

tristanbgilb wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 2:12 pm As a society we would do much better to eat a more simple diet avoiding animal consumption. Brown rice is a staple in our home and I am pleased for the Short Grain Brown Rice at Rosauers marked down to $1.99/ LB in the bulk foods section.

Gardening is an important activity that so many of us avoid since it is difficult to grow coco puffs.

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Those are long-term solutions and yes I agree they would be good things. However, successful implementation of across-the-board tariffs and a mass deportation plan will create short-term problems. It will be cold comfort to those who will go hungry (many of them who voted for Donald Trump) if there is a long-term solution. Many may not survive to see it.

I genuinely hope I am wrong. But I do not see how it will be possible to implement a rapid mass deportations and across-the-board tariffs simultaneously without enormous disruption. Including wrecking the entire food supply chain. And an all-hands effort (involving all law enforcement at all levels and the military) to implement a rapid mass deportation will mean that those folks won't be available to deal with the inevitable civil unrest that will come from such disruption.

The largest easily locatable concentrations of undocumented immigrants work in food production. By comparison finding all of the people who work in construction or hospitality would take more time, and I suspect the powers that be will be looking for quick and impressive results.

Again, I genuinely hope I am wrong. But I suspect we might think that being locked in our homes sterilizing our groceries and making sourdough starters was the good old days.

Very good points David and Tristan.

There is a seasonal worker program. It is the H2-A rating for seasonal workers. I think Newhouse had talked about them at one time. He was concerned
about them. Problem is, there are workers that have been here 20 yrs. that are undocumented, so they will have to go, if Stephen Miller has his way.
Birth right will exist no more for future kids born here by undocumented migrants or I will call them human beings.
I never thought I would find myself agreeing with Rand Paul but he is quite against using the military to go to places of work to round up migrants. He gave the example of a housekeeper of 30 yrs. The military going in and bringing her out? He doesn't think so. Said it would be a bad image for the USA.
So we will see how this plays out.
Yes, gardens are key and I eat no meat. If others want to that's fine. I make no judgement. But I do think it is healthier not to. I grew up on home grown meat, chickens, lamb. We lived at a lake and ate fish that we caught at least 3 times a week.
Tristan I like and thought it kind of funny that you included police records. That's documented for sure!
Guess I was a criminal for years too before cannabis was legalized, but being in the Valley, if you were discreet, law enforcement paid no mind. They were more interested in drunk drivers.
I do want to remain respectful of all ideas and discussions. I realize I haven't in the past. We know the Methow is a safe place and we can sustain ourselves here and not rely on imported food products, if we have to. Gee, I sure do love avocados, however.

mister_coffee wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 1:06 pm I for one hope that the Trump administration goes through with all its plans, which will hurt Trump supporters far more than it will hurt me.

I do, however, have a practical question:

Given that we import about 15% of our food, and that about 40% of the workers in the food production and agriculture sector are undocumented, how will people eat if we deport all the undocumented people and place punitive tariffs on all imports? Given the current low unemployment it isn't like there are extra people out there who can do those jobs. And in any event, it would probably take years to provide adequate domestic substitutes for both the farm labor and food products we are importing. We won't have years to address the food shortages.

As a society we would do much better to eat a more simple diet avoiding animal consumption. Brown rice is a staple in our home and I am pleased for the Short Grain Brown Rice at Rosauers marked down to $1.99/ LB in the bulk foods section.

Gardening is an important activity that so many of us avoid since it is difficult to grow coco puffs.

Cannabis can feed, clothe, house, and medicate our nation and world...

I am documented. My whole family is documented with ID cards, social security numbers, credit scores, and police records. The complaint is that the undocumented immigrants are criminals. It is now time to separate the workers from the criminals. I don't know how this can be done. I suggest a seasonal worker program where people are documented and encouraged to go home after working.

The war on drugs needs to be ended. It is a world war and a civil war against the human rights of all individuals.

It is wrong to legalize all drugs. All drugs should however be prescribed and available for those that want them in prison.

I have been a criminal for most of my adult life with a need for cannabis.

Criminalized cannabis shows that people are complacent to being ruled over without a voice of their own.

I for one hope that the Trump administration goes through with all its plans, which will hurt Trump supporters far more than it will hurt me.

I do, however, have a practical question:

Given that we import about 15% of our food, and that about 40% of the workers in the food production and agriculture sector are undocumented, how will people eat if we deport all the undocumented people and place punitive tariffs on all imports? Given the current low unemployment it isn't like there are extra people out there who can do those jobs. And in any event it would probably take years to provide adequate domestic substitutes for both the farm labor and food products we are importing. We won't have years to address the food shortages.

Doing both of those things at the same time sounds like a Zimbabwe plan to me. Makes it a good time to put in a garden.

This is a good time to be glad I do not have children.

PAL wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:59 am Tristan,
...Can you send your message to Mr. Trump about love and care about each other? ...
...Do you accept we anti Trumpers on this BB?

I have always felt you to be courteous towards myself and others. I enjoy that you have the mental capacity to think and communicate effectively through composition in writing. I have an extensive education and still am not easily programmed. I am aware of my surroundings and do not accept the media as a good way of seeing the world. I see a lot of love and caring in our community. Though not utopia, I consider our home in this valley as a place for artists and thinkers; People with vitality and acknowledge each other as friends, even those we are unfamiliar with.

I wrote Obama a letter after I voted for him for his first term. He sent me a post card reading "Thank You for Your opinion. Please see us on Whitehouse.gov. Obviously, I didn't vote for him for the second term. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary and then trump in the general election.

My perception of the world was much better during the Trump Admin. There were so many good things happening. Methow Headwaters act..2019 Farm bill legalizing cannabis without THC called hemp. and the Legion Act admission of continuous war since WWII.

I am looking forward to see how the creative mind of Mr. Trump will pan out in his second term. It's difficult to want the anti-trump politicians in power when they do nothing but try to take down trump.

When I was in 4th grade, I wrote Reagan a letter and received a kind and thoughtful response.

Thank You Pearl for a kind and thoughtful reaction to me speaking my mind and hoping share thoughts conducive to help and not just destroy the hope we have for a kinder more gentle world.

Tristan,
Can you send your message to Mr. Trump about love and care about each other? Because he wants to spend time going after those that have disagreed with him. He wants retribution, so he says. We have to see what he does of course. I feel he is hostile towards me and about what I believe in, and my beliefs are totally wrong according to you and Ken.
Do you really think Trump will end wars and can stop Netanyahu? He cannot and does not want to. He said he wants Neti to finish the job. Do you think Trump can stop Hamas? He wants to expand the military budget. He won’t stop Putin. He said Putin can do the hell whatever he wants. Putin was the invader. He wants to restore the USSR.
I do not agree with Trump but also do not agree with bombs to destroy the world. You think that is what those against Trump want? You are hugely mistaken.
The latest AG pick, Pam Bondi, represented Trump in his first impeachment. She was a lobbyist for Quatar. She will serve him and not the Constitution. There are some in the military that want to serve him, but the majority of the military’s allegiance is to the Constitution.
Our community is the best. Is there hostility for each other? I know many Trump supporters but I still smile and greet them. I purchase from their businesses. I am not hostile toward them. I know I disagree with them, but I’m sure not going to try to change their minds. Why should I? I accept them.
Do you accept we anti Trumpers on this BB?

So are you comparing the Bush/Cheney attack by US forces on Iraq's soil to the invasion of Ukraine by Russia?

I don't know of a single Dem who applauds Dick Cheney's record nor anyone who agrees with Liz Cheney's policies. But most Dems will agree that Liz Cheney has stood by her vow to protect the Constitution rather than bend a knee to Trump and her father has approved of her decision.

True, wasn’t that where their hate was directed all those years of Bush/Cheney (No more Wars)? Now they think Cheney’s are great and wars are just fine, SMFH.

So you do realize that we already have a historically healthy economy, right?
You do realize that between Trump's deportation plans and his tariffs that the middle class will be looking at huge price increases in the necessities, right?
You do realize that Russia's grab for Ukraine will only expand once Trump's in office, right?
And you do realize that Trump will again cut taxes on the wealthiest and corporations which will again mean the less $ in the coffers so more has to be borrowed, just like last time and that it will be the mid to lower classes of people who will be paying the taxes, right?
And you do realize that Musk's plans to cut budgets and slash govt safety nets is what he did when he bought Twitter and turned it into a losing proposition for the banks and investors who loaned him the money, right?

dorankj wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:13 pm At least you have somewhere to let out all your hate and anger (too bad nobody’s listening or cares!)

Seems like anti-trump crew is content being a bunch of monkeys on the backs of a those that love America. I am not content with this do nothing except spend government, without ideas of how to actually take care of the problems the world is facing. Trump is at least trying to jumpstart the economy and recover from the crisis of the destructiveness of the past 4 years of attacking trump while the middle class is losing the ability to just have the amenities most of us are used to like buy food.

Mr. Doran is at least capable of critical thinking. Russia is shooting Intercontinental ballistic missiles. Seems like it's a time to learn to care and love each other and have new ideas of how to bring peace to this world. Let's start with each other. Why can we not be decent to others in our community. All this hostility towards those without proper media programming and brainwashed to the point that they exist without thoughts of their own seems like a zombie apocalypse. We need a road to recovery and borrowing money to destroy the world with bombs and guns may in fact may not bring the results the anti-trump crew is hoping for.

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Government by the worst…..a ‘Kakistocracy’.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... kistocracy

“Some have likened Donald Trump’s administrative picks to a clown car; others are calling our incoming leadership a kakistocracy, or “government by the worst people”, as Merriam-Webster puts it.

The word has been trending online, with a burst in search traffic in recent weeks and a new dedicated subreddit. It’s not the first time Trump has (accidentally) made the term famous; many discovered it in his first term. But even after Gaetz’s departure, the kakistocracy of 2016 looks like Mister Rogers’ Neighborhood compared with the president-elect’s new batch of sidekicks.”

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Replaced by Pam Bondi. Yipee

Gaetz is out apparently. That didn’t last long.

Yup, can't blame the Dems for anything now. Fox Fake news was going over line by line of all the picks Biden had made. Get a life.

This is what they voted for. We should let 'em have it.

If any serious crisis hits us in the next four years we are literally on our own. Again.

Matt Gaetz tapped by Trump to be his AG today.

Heather Cox Richardson. Nov 12
'The backdrop for today’s news is that Republicans in the Senate will vote by secret ballot tomorrow for a new Senate majority leader. That person will control the Senate calendar, deciding what measures will be taken up by the Senate for consideration and thus wielding power over Trump’s legislative plans.
Trump and his sidekick Elon Musk, along with MAGA leaders and influencers, are backing Florida senator Rick Scott, who has signaled a willingness to do whatever Trump wants. Senators John Thune (R-SD) and John Cornyn (R-TX) are also staunch party members but are not as closely associated with the MAGA faction of the party.
MAGA control of the Senate is at stake, and Trump and his team are pushing their extremist agenda so aggressively it will be impossible for Senate Republicans to pretend they didn’t know what was at stake if they vote to empower the MAGAs.
Today the Trump transition team floated the idea that Trump could sign an executive order creating a board of retired senior military personnel that would review high-ranking officers and recommend removing any they deemed unfit for leadership. Vivian Salama, Nancy A. Youssef, and Lara Seligman reported in the Wall Street Journal that such a board would enable Trump to purge the military of the generals whom he considers insufficiently loyal to him. Generals who refused to carry out what they considered unconstitutional orders—including using the military against U.S. civilians—infuriated Trump during his first term.
The chairman of VoteVets, retired major general Paul Eaton, warned that such a plan would turn the U.S. military into Trump loyalists. Eaton also warned military personnel what that would mean for the troops, suggesting that folks should “take a look at Stalin’s officer purges in early WWII that resulted in the Soviet, now-Russian Army, enduring incompetence and the use of its rank-and-file troops as cannon meat. The American military is the envy of the world’s militaries, given its efficiency for military effect and stunningly low casualty count. Probably a good model to keep.”
Transition spokesperson Karoline Leavitt said, “[T]he American people re-elected President Trump by a resounding margin giving him a mandate to implement the promises he made on the campaign trail. He will deliver.” But Trump’s claims of a mandate are wrong. As vote counts continue to come in, it appears that Trump’s margin of victory was actually quite slim.
Trump has also vowed to eliminate the Biden administration’s policies to address climate change, promising to “drill, baby, drill” and make the U.S. energy independent by increasing production of fossil fuels. In fact, the production of oil and gas hit an all-time high during the Biden administration and the U.S. exports those products, but so long as the U.S is tied to fossil fuels, it will likely always import them because the oil it exports is a different kind than it uses.
It is not clear that even MAGA Republicans want to kill the green energy initiatives in the Inflation Reduction Act that have brought new factories and good jobs to more Republican-dominated states than Democratic-dominated states.
Today, chair and chief executive officer of Exxon Mobil Darren Woods asked the incoming administration not to change Biden’s climate policy dramatically, saying that the lack of consistency on climate change is bad for the economy. “I don’t think the challenge or the need to address global emissions is going to go away,” he said. “Anything that happens in the short term would just make the longer term that much more challenging.”
Exxon has invested heavily in the carbon capture industry. In 2023, Woods predicted that the company’s low-carbon business could generate more money than its traditional oil and gas products in as little as a decade, telling investors he expects carbon capture to be a multitrillion-dollar business.
Trump and his team, apparently led by Elon Musk, have begun to float names for different administration posts, all of whom appear to be picked to replace nonpartisan federal experts with right-wing culture warriors.
For secretary of homeland security, Trump has proposed loyalist Kristi Noem, currently governor of South Dakota. Noem had been under consideration for vice president, but fell out of the running after boasting that she had shot her dog for misbehaving. Earlier this year, Noem appeared to suggest that Texas, which became a state in 1845, was one of the original signatories to the Constitution. She has been a Trump loyalist focusing on the border.
For U.S. ambassador to Israel, Trump has picked former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, an evangelical Christian who denies Palestinian rights to the West Bank, instead supporting Israeli settlements in that land and saying that “Israel has title deed” there, calling the area by the biblical name “Judea and Samaria.”
For secretary of defense, Trump has tapped Fox News Channel host Pete Hegseth, a combat veteran and host of the weekend edition of Fox & Friends, a show Trump reportedly enjoys. As national security expert Tom Nichols points out, the Secretary of Defense has access to the nuclear command-and-control procedure. The secretary oversees about 1.3 million active-duty troops and another 1.4 million in the National Guard and employed in Reserves and civilian positions, as well as a budget of more than $800 billion.
Hegseth lobbied Trump to intervene in the cases of service members accused of war crimes, and he cheered on Trump’s January 6, 2021, rally. He became popularly known after accidentally hitting a man with an ax on the Fox & Friends show in 2015. Then, in 2019, he regained notoriety when he volunteered that he had not washed his hands in ten years because he does not believe germs are real. Hegseth has said women do not belong in combat and has been vocal about his opposition to the equity and inclusion measures in the military that he calls “woke.”
Lolita C. Baldor and Tara Copp of the Associated Press reported that the news that Trump has tapped the inexperienced Hegseth to run the world’s largest and most powerful military “stunned the Pentagon and the broader defense world.” While some Republicans say they look forward to getting to know him better, others appear to share the Pentagon’s concerns.
But the news that Trump wants a Fox News Channel host in one of the most important positions in the United States government got overtaken quickly by Trump’s announcement that “the Great Elon Musk, working in conjunction with American Patriot Vivek Ramaswamy,” an entrepreneur who challenged Trump for the presidential nomination, will lead a new “Department of Government Efficiency” under his administration. Their advice will, Trump announced, “pave the way for my Administration to dismantle Government Bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure Federal Agencies.”
Their project is nicknamed “DOGE,” an apparent reference to Musk’s favorite cryptocurrency and meme coin, known as “Dogecoin.” That cryptocurrency surged after the announcement of the new DOGE under Trump, adding to the gains of 153% since Election Day.
By law, a president does not have the power to create a new department or agency, and participating in one would require Musk and Ramaswamy to get rid of their conflicts of interest.
Trump’s announcement said that Musk and Ramaswamy would “work together to liberate our Economy, and make the U.S. Government accountable to ‘WE THE PEOPLE.’ Their work will conclude no later than July 4, 2026—a smaller Government, with more efficiency and less bureaucracy, will be the perfect gift to America on the 250th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. I am confident they will succeed!”
Trump appears to see himself as the founder of a new United States of America while, ironically, the real winners of the chaos he is ushering into the government will be Russia, China, and the other autocratic states eager to dismantle American democracy.
Trump’s demonstration of his plans just before Senate Republicans have to choose their leader seems an attempt to jam those who might stand against him into his camp. And yet, the Framers of the Constitution believed that the Senate would be the key guardrail to stop the rise of an autocrat who would destroy democracy and install himself as a king. They expected that the determination of senators to guard their own power would protect the nation.
Almost two hundred and fifty years into their experiment, we’re about to find out if they were right.'

At least you have somewhere to let out all your hate and anger (too bad nobody’s listening or cares!)

And of course Trump taps a Fox host to be his Pentagon chief
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/1 ... 72wd50Qjgg

The list of choices for various roles that Trump is making is like a comic strip of failed characters.

Mike Huckabee for ambassador to Israel
Kristi Noem for Homeland Security
Marco Rubio for Secretary of State
Kash Patel for Intel

More: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 216354007/

and since he's telling GOP leadership that they must declare a recess quickly so that he doesn't have to be bothered with their approval process and came just make recess appointments, likely this list is gonna be in charge of our Country and then some.

And then there's his plans to dismantle the Dept of Education and tax colleges and universities
https://thegrio.com/2024/11/12/trump-do ... ms-of-dei/