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Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:55 am
by mister_coffee
A little thing that a lot of us might have missed.

Kimberly Guilfoyle at her convention speech: "It is no wonder that the heroes who stormed the beaches of Normandy and faced down communism sadly say they don’t recognize our country anymore."

Last I checked the Nazis we were fighting were fascists, not communists. I used to think that when these little slip-ups happened they were because people on that side were ignorant. I now think they are attempting to rewrite our history.

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:33 pm
by Rideback
Arendt was a wise person for the ages. Like Tim Snyder she has the context that most of us are unaware of.

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:09 pm
by just-jim
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I was talking today with one of my oldest friends…..he reminded me of these words:

"This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore. A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies. With such a people, you can do whatever you want."

…and the more often quote line of her’s:

“The aim of totalitarian education has never been to instill convictions but to destroy the capacity to form any.”

Hannah Arendt, (14 October 1906 – 4 December 1975)

Arendt was a German historian and philosopher. Arendt's extensive body of work includes many nuanced discussions on truth, lies, and the nature of totalitarianism, and this quote reflects themes from her writing on totalitarianism and the nature of truth.
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Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 2:03 pm
by PAL
Party of the elite? Well, who is donating $45 million to Trump each month. Elon! Also another guy, who is a billionare, who helped Vance is also donating tons of money. It could be said both side are elitist, but one harbors a convicted criminal.
As for the undecideds, I just saw a panel of them, and some liked the first 30 minutes of his speech at the RNC, but then he wandered off, telling his lies. He lost them. I don't think Dems won't vote for the Dem candidates because it is an "elitist" party. That word became an overnight sensational meme.
Sharon, good one!

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:56 pm
by SharonLaVonne
I would vote for a road kill deer before I'd vote for any Rethugnican. The party of hate, terror and a complete disregard of anything, anyone other than their crazy hate party. I will be writing in "any democrat" in any race without a democrat running. There is NOTHING to be gained for our country by voting any Rethugs. TRUMP FOR PRISON. It would be insanity to put any Rethugnican in our nation's highest office. WTF is wrong with you people? How did you lose your cognitive abilities?

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:44 pm
by Rideback
Dems will stick with the ticket, no matter which Democrats are at the top. Disappointment in the media's spin won't convince any Dem to flip parties and vote for the convicted felon.

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 1:22 pm
by Jingles
PAL wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:30 am Absolutely Rideback. Lawlessness will come. So Jingles, these Democrats that jump ship are just going to go right along with Trump's lies, when they were planning on voting Democratic, and suddenly vote for Trump?
No idea if they are going vote for Trump or even if they are going to vote at all just understand that they are disappointed that the Democrat party had become the party of the elite and can't make up their mind who to offer as a candidate.

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:30 am
by PAL
Absolutely Rideback. Lawlessness will come. So Jingles, these Democrats that jump ship are just going to go right along with Trump's lies, when they were planning on voting Democratic, and suddenly vote for Trump?

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:14 am
by Rideback
If you can be a felon and President, they need to remove 'felon' off of job applications, rental applications and professional offices. If the highest position in the land can be taken by a felon then all positions should follow suit.

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 7:15 pm
by Jingles
Did not watch any of it had better things to do, wash my hair, even though mostly bald,, take the trash out, peel potatoes, but can say at least the Republican Party knows who their candidate is, the Democrat elites can't decide if they want Dementia Joe or Camelia or someone yet to be disclosed seems to be a lot of undecided. Also understand that ,according to several polls, some dems are abandoning the sinking ships because of that indecision. It is quite evident that the Democrat party is NOT the peoples party but the party of the elites that say screw the people they are beneath us

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:54 pm
by just-jim
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90 minutes of lies, bombast and false humility. Embarrassing. Like a car wreck you can’t avert your eyes from.

And all the mouth-breathing knuckle-draggers just lapping it up.
The collective IQ of that audience must have been about that of a piece of warm toast.
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Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:08 pm
by Rideback
CNN fact check of Trump's convention speech
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/18/politics ... index.html

over 20 lies

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 5:44 am
by Rideback
I guess you didn't watch the last half of Trump's acceptance speech.

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 7:51 pm
by dorankj
Actually the Dana White introduction and DT acceptance is quite positive and exciting!

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 6:33 pm
by just-jim
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What more do you need to say about Guilty donnie and MAGA than seeing that sad, mor*n Hulk Hogan speaking at the R convention?
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Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2024 5:02 am
by Rideback
The videos of the fights that Matt Gaetz is having with just about everyone ...

Fact checking Wed Rep Convention speakers
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/17/politics ... index.html

Re: RNC convention and platform

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:39 am
by just-jim
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“ just after House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) announced that delegates were formally nominating Trump as the Republican Party’s presidential candidate, the teleprompter failed. Unable to continue without it, Johnson quickly left the stage. This was awkward, since two weeks ago, Johnson said on the Fox News Channel of President Joe Biden: “Unless the president is reading off the teleprompter, I don’t think he’s capable of making these big decisions and that is something that should alarm all of us….”

The teleprompter having been fixed, Johnson returned forty-five minutes later ”

These hypocritical goons cant even run a convention - or a Teleprompter - yet think the can run a government?
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RNC convention and platform

Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:27 am
by Rideback
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.c ... irect=true

The Republican National Convention is a moment to reintroduce Trump and MAGA Republicans to voters who have not seen them up close since at least 2021. So far, the convention has proved that the Republican Party is now the MAGA Party. It has not been a smooth unveiling.

Yesterday, just after House speaker Mike Johnson (R-LA) announced that delegates were formally nominating Trump as the Republican Party’s presidential candidate, the teleprompter failed. Unable to continue without it, Johnson quickly left the stage. This was awkward, since two weeks ago, Johnson said on the Fox News Channel of President Joe Biden: “Unless the president is reading off the teleprompter, I don’t think he’s capable of making these big decisions and that is something that should alarm all of us….”

The teleprompter having been fixed, Johnson returned forty-five minutes later to introduce Iowa’s attorney general, Brenna Bird, who in turn began the process of nominating Ohio senator J. D. Vance for vice president. The last time a Republican vice presidential nominee has been named so late was 1988, and while announcing at the convention has the benefit of generating enthusiasm for the novel story, it has the downside of bringing an avalanche of opposition. Vance brought the latter.

He is very young—just 39—and has held an elected office for just 18 months, making him notably inexperienced for someone in contention for the vice presidential slot, especially behind a 78-year-old presidential nominee. In the past, he was a never-Trumper, saying that Trump “might be America’s Hitler,” “might be a cynical a**hole,” and is “cultural heroin,” “noxious,” and “reprehensible,” but he came around to embrace the Big Lie that the 2020 election was stolen and to say that if he had been vice president on January 6, 2021, he would have done what former vice president Mike Pence would not: he would have refused to count the certified electoral ballots for President Joe Biden.

Former Wyoming representative Liz Cheney, who was drummed out of the party for standing against Trump’s attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, wrote: “JD Vance has pledged he would do what Mike Pence wouldn’t—overturn an election and illegally seize power. He says the president can ignore the rulings of our courts. He would capitulate to Russia and sacrifice the freedom of our allies in Ukraine. The Trump GOP is no longer the party of Lincoln, Reagan or the Constitution.”

Both ends of the Republican spectrum have also expressed concerns about Vance. The far right has been vocal today about their disdain for Vance’s wife, who is the American-born daughter of Indian immigrants. “Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” Nick Fuentes asked.

On the other side of the Republican spectrum, those who opposed Trump because of his extremism, especially on abortion, are unlikely to have their fears relieved by Vance, who has advocated no-exceptions abortion bans, that people stay in violent marriages, and said: “We are effectively run in this country…by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices that they’ve made. And so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too.”

But for all the talk of unifying the country since last weekend’s shooting, Trump did not pick Vance to bring Republicans together. His selection of Vance reinforces that the MAGAs have taken over the Republican Party with an ideology that rejects democracy in favor of Christian nationalism. Vance has repeatedly elevated Hungarian prime minister Viktor Orbán’s destruction of democracy in favor of a strong leader imposing Christian family structures, ending abortion rights, enforcing anti-LGBTQ+ policies and encouraging attacks on immigrants, and seizing universities. Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts, who is also aligned with Orbán and was key to the production of Project 2025, which echoes Orbán’s co-called “illiberal democracy,” cheered Vance’s selection.

On Monday the convention approved a platform, the document that outlines the party’s position for the administration they hope to put into power. The evolution of Republican platforms since 2016 shows the evolution of the Republican Party. The 2016 platform fell pretty much within the norms of the genre, celebrating the nation and attacking the opposition before calling first for tax cuts—standard fare for Republicans since 1980—open markets, and deregulation of business and finance, as well as a smaller government. It called as well for an end to gay marriage, protection of gun ownership, and opposition to abortion.

In 2020 the Republican Party did not write a platform, simply saying “[t]hat the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President's America-first agenda.”

In 2024 the Republican Party platform reiterates the points of a Trump rally. Its capitalization is erratic, as his is, and it is full of sweeping and often incorrect statements. Rather than celebrating the country, it warns that “we are a Nation in SERIOUS DECLINE. Our future, our identity, and our very way of life are under threat like never before.” It promises that, under Trump, “We will be a Nation based on Truth, Justice, and Common Sense.”

The only real sign of the old party is the platform’s promise to make the Trump tax cuts, which have already added $2.5 trillion to the national debt, permanent. Otherwise, the platform is a MAGA document. It portrays a world that reflects Trump’s dystopian vision rather than reality, then promises to fix that dystopia either with vague promises or with culture war victories. In odd passages, it promises to do what Biden has already done: conquer inflation, bring supply chains home, revive manufacturing, and save the auto industry.

The speakers at the convention have largely been MAGA extremists, and the picture they painted of the United States echoed Trump’s. They portrayed a country in decline from the heady days of the Trump presidency, but their image was not based in reality. Virginia governor Glenn Youngkin, for example, claimed that “Women, Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans all saw record low employment under Donald J. Trump,” when in fact those record lows have come under Biden. Former CEO of Yammer, South African David Sacks, echoed Russian talking points when he blamed Biden for provoking Russia to invade Ukraine. Tennessee senator Marsha Blackburn attacked “racist DEI requirements.”

CNN fact checker Daniel Dale has been kept busy correcting the Republicans’ repeated lie that there is a violent crime wave in the U.S. under Biden; the opposite is true. Both violent crimes and property crimes have plummeted since the Trump administration. Republicans are also saying that Democrats “have eroded the American energy dominance that President Trump delivered.” In reality, while Biden is trying to shift the U.S. to renewables, Dale noted that “the U.S. under Biden is producing more crude oil than any country ever has… the U.S. is setting fossil fuel world records under this administration. The U.S. produced a global record 12.9 million barrels of crude oil per day in 2023, easily beating the Trump-era high of 12.3 million barrels.”

Today’s speakers included Nikki Haley, a last-minute addition to the program after the events of the weekend in an apparent attempt to create a sense of unity. She made a good pitch but didn’t convince everyone: there were scattered boos at her appearance. Her speech was the high-water mark of the unity effort tonight; the rest of the speakers hammered the idea that the country is divided in two and that Trump’s opponents are persecuting him. They singled out the media as a key enemy.

The bitter rift between establishment and MAGA Republicans has been evident in other ways, as well. Attendees booed Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) when he pledged Kentucky’s votes to Trump, from whom he has kept his distance. MAGA congressman Matt Gaetz (R-FL) interrupted CNN journalist Kaitlan Collins when she was interviewing former House speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to taunt McCarthy by pointing out that he had not been asked to speak, adding that if he had been, “You would get booed off the stage.” Gaetz was behind the move to throw McCarthy out of his office, and he resigned from Congress shortly thereafter. McCarthy reacted by noting that there is an ethics complaint against Gaetz for sleeping with a minor.

Trump has appeared at the convention with a large bandage on the ear he says was pierced by a bullet on Saturday. Journalists have begun to note that there has been no medical report of Trump’s injuries, an odd omission after the intense recent scrutiny of President Biden’s health.

Trump seemed oddly subdued on Monday and appeared to fall asleep during the proceedings. His wife Melania has not yet appeared at the convention.

Today, presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s son Bobby Kennedy III posted a video of a call Trump made to his father in which Trump appeared to try to win Kennedy’s support first by appearing to support Kennedy’s opposition to vaccines and then by suggesting that he could get Kennedy a job. “I would love you to do something,” Trump said. “And I think it’ll be so good for you and so big for you. And we’re going to win.” He also noted that Biden had called him after the shooting, saying “it was very nice, actually,” and that the cause of the injury he sustained on Saturday felt like “the world’s largest mosquito.”