ICE Agents shoot US Citizen in the street

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Good comparison Ray, and this morning Krisi Noem didn't have an answer when Jake Tapper asked her that same question.

[pasayten]

And they are doing EXACTLY what they are supposed to and fulfilling our immigration laws (something Dementia Joe refused to). However, if they are being obstructed, harassed threatened and endangered by us citizens the citizens are violating federal law (and supremacy clause trumps state law) and can and WILL be stopped! FAFO

Gee Ken, How come only Ashli Babbitt of the Jan 6 rioters was killed??? Law enforcement had plenty of reason to shoot others. "FAFO" didn't apply there??? Or did law enforcement use care and restraint to not shoot more American citizens??

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"Former law enforcement officer, Kramer Hammy:
"It is clear that US citizens' ignorance of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw and what I know from a professional standpoint. This is long, but please give it a read.
"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.
"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.
"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.
"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in 'drive' that is actively trying to leave and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week of any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in 'drive.' That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.
"You can see the wheels are turned, [Renee] backed up and turned them to the right, moved forward a bit to leave, couldn't because an agent was standing in front of her, and continued to try to leave by TURNING HER WHEELS TO THE RIGHT and moving forward. He continually chose to stand there and not allow her to legally leave as she had every single right to do.
The officer pulling on her door and banging on her window and swearing at her had ZERO authority to order her out of her vehicle or attempt to make entry into her vehicle. NONE. A single day of actual training of the legal scope of authority and the LAW would've prevented that from happening.
"You now have a frightened citizen being blockaded by immigration agents (with another person in her vehicle) who had zero obligation to follow legally invalid orders from that agent, being blocked in and having a fully grown, masked man attempting to make entry into her car. If this were reversed, every single person would immediately feel she had every reasonable expectation to fear for her safety. It doesn't matter if she knew it was ICE because the agents weren't even acting in their scope of authority anyway.
"Whether or not she made the right decision by very CLEARLY- based off of how hard her wheels were turned and how low and to the driver corner windshield that shot was fired- trying to drive to the left of that agent is IRRELEVANT in the picture as a whole.
None of this would have happened if those agents had done even one single thing correctly. Not just correctly, but within their legal scope of authority. Every single moment of that interaction was escalated by untrained, unprofessional, procedurally inept "agents" who not only had zero control of themselves but everything around them. And not because they are helpless, but because their actions that did not fall under their scope of power CAUSED this. Their tempers, lack of training, and the knowledge that they can get away with violating their own scope of authority caused this.
"I will always be the first to defend law enforcement when lethal force very clearly is required. But this was not even remotely the case, and as an actual TRAINED professional in that field with experience and understanding of both the law and procedures, there is no justification for this- and it would benefit EVERYONE to actually read up on the laws, scope of authority, and use a single shred of common sense to see that this situation was started, escalated, and caused by the ICE agents involved. I have zero respect for those in power who are ignorant of the scope of their authority and abuse it at the cost of lives around them."

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https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=6969B23A

6-7 your arguments are irrelevant nonsense Ken
Answer the questions in the link

[dorankj]

You guys really are insane! Even when there's zero racism (we can barely imagine the outrage/protests if it was (2020+)) you shoehorn a completely unrelated racist murder where the victim WAS innocent (not so here!) What a attempt to gaslight lies. BTW you look such a fool trying (and failing) to use 6-7!

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Ross is now in hiding. Special task force moved belongings from his house, along with his wife, to an undisclosed location for his safety.
Jack Reacher type can find him.

[just-jim]

Talk about head up your arse! Biden removed more than he let in? Haha bull***, mor*n.

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How about a source for your baseless claims.

I went back through a year of your posts. Not single citation or source…..just baseless blah, blah, blah, blah…..

Put up or shut up.
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HCR:

"Heather Cox Richardson on the release of the video taken by Renee Good’s killer Jonathan Ross. This is so spot on:
“The release of this damning video as an attempted exoneration reminds me overwhelmingly of the release of the video of the murder of Black jogger Ahmaud Arbery in February 2021 in an attempt of one of the murderers to prove they had acted in self-defense.
In that case, the district attorney for that circuit told police that the video showed self-defense and declined to prosecute. When the story wouldn’t go away, one of the murderers apparently thought that everyone else would agree that the video exonerated the killers. His lawyer gave the video to a local radio station. The station took the video down within two hours, but the public outcry over the horrific video meant the killers were arrested two days later. A jury convicted them, and they are now in prison, two for life without possibility of parole, one for life with the possibility of parole after 30 years, when he will be about 82.
In the case of the murder of Ahmaud Arbery, the murderers and their protectors were clearly so isolated in their own racist bubble they could not see how regular Americans would react to the video of them hunting down and shooting a jogger.
In the case of the murder of Renee Good, the shooter and his protectors are clearly so isolated in their own authoritarian bubble they cannot see how regular Americans would react to the video of a woman smiling at a masked agent and saying: ‘That’s fine, dude. I’m not mad at you,’ only to have him shoot her in the face and then spit out ‘F*cking bi**h’ after he killed her.
The thread that runs through both is the assumption that an American exercising their constitutional rights must submit, without question, to a white man holding a gun.”

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6-7 Ken
Your lack of attention span is showing

[dorankj]

Talk about head up your arse! Biden removed more than he let in? Haha bull***, mor*n.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Icl0PsY30

As she was starting to back up Ross was pulling his gun out. Watch the video.

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"In 2013, the federal government commissioned an independent review of its own border agents. The Police Executive Research Forum examined 67 use-of-force incidents that resulted in 19 deaths. What they found was that agents were deliberately stepping in front of moving vehicles to manufacture justification for shooting the drivers.
TLDR:
Federal law enforcement officers were intentionally creating the conditions that would allow them to kill people.
The PERF report didn’t mince words. It noted agents “intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force.”
In plain English: they’d stand where the car was going, then claim self-defense when they pulled the trigger.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection tried to bury it. When Congress asked for the report, they got a summary with the vehicle-positioning findings conveniently omitted. It took a leak to the Los Angeles Times and an ACLU lawsuit to pry the full document loose. By May 2014, under enormous pressure, CBP finally released it publicly.
The agency also issued new guidelines. Agents should not use their body to block a vehicle’s path. They should not shoot at fleeing vehicles unless occupants pose an imminent lethal threat other than the vehicle itself. The policy was explicit: move out of the fu**ing way.
The Department of Homeland Security has had an official use-of-force policy on the books since 2018. Policy Statement 044-05, signed by the Acting Deputy Secretary, establishes department-wide standards.
It requires force to be “objectively reasonable based on the facts and circumstances.” It cites the Supreme Court cases that set the legal standard. It looks professional and thorough on paper.
But I guess paper doesn’t change institutional culture. Training manuals don’t override what agents learned on the job a decade ago. And the people who were active agents during the period when stepping-in-front-of-vehicles was standard practice didn’t just disappear. They got promoted. They became instructors. They trained the next generation.
How long has Jonathan Ross - the ICE agent who shot and killed Renee Good - been working for Border Patrol and ICE?
Since 2007.
Oh. And the Department of Justice policy is even clearer.
Firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless no other objectively reasonable means of defense exists - “which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.” That’s the actual language.
Moving out of the way is supposed to be the first option, not the last.
So when a federal agent positions himself in front of a car, pulls out his phone to record with one hand, draws his weapon with the other, and then fires - the question isn’t just whether he feared for his life. The question is why he was standing there in the first place.
Former ICE officials have been refreshingly honest in background quotes to reporters this week. “Why did you put yourself in front of the car? You’re staging the scene.” “At a certain point, you need to understand not to put yourself in these positions.” One veteran agent told CBS News he’d been conducting stops for 25 years and never, ever wanted to be intentionally in front of the vehicle.
Because that’s not tactics. That’s manufacturing a pretext.
The PERF report was supposed to fix this. The policy updates were supposed to change behavior. But here we are, twelve years later, watching video that looks exactly like what the independent reviewers described: an agent positioning himself to create the justification, then using it.
The agency’s own policy says force must be objectively reasonable. The DOJ policy says moving out of the way should be the first option. The 2014 guidelines explicitly told agents not to block vehicles with their bodies.
None of that matters if the people enforcing the policy are the same people who learned the old playbook.
The infrastructure for accountability doesn’t work when the FBI takes sole control of investigations and excludes state authorities. It doesn’t work when federal immunity shields agents from local prosecution. It doesn’t work when the same agency investigates itself.
What we’re watching isn’t a rogue agent or a tragic split-second decision. What we’re watching is a system designed to produce exactly this outcome - and documented evidence that the government knew about the problem over a decade ago.
They commissioned a report. They buried the report. They got caught. They changed the policy on paper. And twelve years later, the playbook is still running.
So, stop posting about laws that you don’t understand in my comments - you clueless walking Dunning-Kruger exhibits.
Here are all of the likely laws Jonathan Ross broke:
Most likely chargeable offenses:
1. Third-Degree Murder (Minn. Stat. § 609.195)
2. Second-Degree Manslaughter (Minn. Stat. § 609.205)
3. Failure to Render Aid to Shooting Victim (Minn. Stat. § 609.662)
4. Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law (18 U.S.C. § 242)
Additional potential charges depending on investigation:
5. First-Degree Manslaughter (Minn. Stat. § 609.20)
6. Evidence tampering (leaving scene with weapon)
7. Obstruction charges if coordination to block investigation is proven
Cut and paste from @Rachel Hurley with information from Mr Global."

[mister_coffee]

Sad fact of the matter is that there are a lot of people who call themselves Americans who think it is okay for law enforcement to shoot people for any reason as long as they are shooting people they don't like.

[just-jim]

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As Usual….Dorko has his head firmly - and completely - planted far up his own butthole.
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DHS data here:
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Hey kenny - pro-tip, here: when you are going to make outrageous claims on the interwebs….you might do some reading first!?! (Oh, wait….I forgot about you and reading…..)
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[dorankj]

IT DID HAPPEN TO ASHLEY BABBIT! I've said so over and over and nothing has happened to that very illegal police officer, you guys tried to 'celebrate' him. Such clueless hypocrites!

[dorankj]

NOBODY has 'absolute immunity' and I said no such thing. The supremacy clause is real and you align yourself with the civil war confederacy if you ignore or obfuscate that fact, but hey maybe that's close to the mark for you reprobates!

[mister_coffee]

Those who think this murder was somehow justified should ask themselves how what would have happened to the January 6th goons if the Capitol Police were held to the same standards as ICE?

I'd imagine in that case they would have been stacking bodies like lumber.

[Rideback]

Not so fast Ken
https://www.courthousenews.com/minnesot ... stigation/

"Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty released a statement saying that their office will begin exploring all options to ensure a state level investigation will continue, and later added that, contrary to Vice President JD Vance’s statement, the ICE officer who shot Good does not have “absolute immunity” from charges.

Mauleón clarified that while federal agents enjoy supremacy clause immunity for actions deemed “necessary and proper” to their duties, that is a legal defense to be argued in court — not a shield that prevents a state from bringing charges.

“There is no legal precedent for this ICE officer to have absolute immunity,” Mauleón said, pointing to the Ruby Ridge case in Idaho as an example where state officials successfully brought criminal charges against federal snipers."

And yesterday: "At a press conference in Philadelphia on Thursday, officials spoke out loud and clear about the killing of Renee Nicole Good. Sheriff Rochelle Bilal slammed ICE, calling them “made up, fake, wannabe law enforcement” and “Trump’s new army.” Bilal also told federal agents if they commit crimes, they will get arrested on the spot, adding: “You don’t want this smoke.”
And Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner issued a clear warning: “If any law enforcement agent, any ICE agent is gonna come to Philly to commit crimes, then you can get the F out of here. I will charge you with those crimes. You will be arrested. You will stand trial. You will be convicted. Donald Trump cannot pardon you for a state court conviction. Do you hear me, ICE agents?”

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And for the legal context:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/147687764 ... dium=email

[dorankj]

And they are doing EXACTLY what they are supposed to and fulfilling our immigration laws (something Dementia Joe refused to). However, if they are being obstructed, harassed threatened and endangered by us citizens the citizens are violating federal law (and supremacy clause trumps state law) and can and WILL be stopped! FAFO

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They are doing the exact opposite of what you posted Ray. Noem has no oversight nor does she care to.

[pasayten]

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[mister_coffee]

I see a large federal civil rights lawsuit incoming. And the shooter will also eventually face state charges in Minnesota.

Based on the earlier incident in Chicago where a woman in her car (a US Citizen) was shot five times I suspect that the shooter's emails and text message traffic will be introduced into evidence and will be damning.

[just-jim]

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A very GOOD piece by one of the Guardian’s best writers….

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... al-emperor

For a serial liar, Donald Trump can be bracingly honest. We’ve known about the mendacity for years – consider the 30,573 documented falsehoods from the president’s first term, culminating in the big lie, his claim to have won the 2020 election – but the examples of bracing candour are fresher. This week both began and ended with the US president speaking the shocking truth.

At a press conference to celebrate his capture of the Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro, Trump announced that from now on the US would “run” that country, before moving in the very next breath to Venezuela’s oil. There was no pious talk of democracy, scant mention even of the drug trafficking that earlier served as a pretext for military action. Instead, Trump said out loud what had once been a slogan on leftist placards in protest at past US interventions, admitting that it really was all about the oil. It was as transparent a revelation of Trump’s true motive as you could have asked for.

As the week closed, there was another disarmingly frank disclosure from the president, a confession that makes sense of both the crazy start to 2026 – and the man who is increasingly shaping our world.

Before we get to that statement, it’s worth registering how hard it can be to square these flashes of Trumpian honesty with the stream of untruths and, more subtly, contradictions and hypocrisies that emanate from him the rest of the time. Note, for example, Trump’s response when asked for his new year resolution: “Peace. Peace on Earth,” he said. Two days later, he was raining lethal fire on Caracas – and a few days after that, he was defending a US federal agent who had shot dead a mother of three in Minneapolis, a woman who posed no conceivable threat to anyone. The self-styled President of Peace is the bringer of war at home and abroad.

These two fronts are more alike than they might seem. The common thread is rule by fear. Trump’s aim in Venezuela has been to remove Maduro and hope that fear will do the rest. No need for a boots-on-the-ground occupation or “second wave” military assault; no need even for regime change. Removal of the man at the top should be enough to intimidate Maduro’s erstwhile henchmen, and especially his chief henchwoman, into doing the US’s bidding, starting with the handover of its oil industry.

What’s more, fear is contagious. Cuba has most reason to be anxious, but Trump also warned Colombia’s leader to “watch his arse”, while signalling that he is considering airstrikes on Mexico, aimed at drug cartels he says are now running that country. The mere threat of a repeat of last weekend’s action on Venezuela may well be enough to bring the rest of the Americas to heel.

That fear reaches across the Atlantic. Trump’s desire for Greenland was once dismissed as a punchline, but after Venezuela no one is laughing. Now we know that Trump’s words are the best guide to his future actions: if he says he wants something, he may well take it. In truth, the US’s European allies have been governed by fear since the day 11 months ago when Trump humiliated Volodymr Zelenskyy in the Oval Office: they worry that if they stand up to the bully in the White House, the bully will turn on them. Specifically, they fear that if they complain about Trump’s designs on Greenland, he will pull the plug on US support for Ukraine.

But, to Trump, fear is not only a commodity for export. It is how he rules at home too. Much has been made of his campaign of intimidation of US institutions, from the media to the universities to the courts. Rather less attention has been paid to his efforts to intimidate the American public, to make ordinary US citizens frightened of their own government.

But that is where we are now. For many months, masked agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, have been snatching people off the streets and meting out brutal punishment to those who get in their way. Witnesses in Minneapolis described an “insane” scene on Thursday, 24 hours after the killing of 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good: “Large convoys of heavily armed masked men, blocking off streets at random, grabbing people nearly at random.” It’s always illuminating to report this as we would if it were happening somewhere far away: “Heavily armed government militias are roaming unchecked through US cities and shooting human rights observers dead in the streets,” to quote the New Republic’s Greg Sargent. On Thursday border patrol agents in Portland, Oregon shot two people outside a hospital.

Fuelling the fear are the lies. Trump pretended his beef with Maduro was the supply of narcotics into the US, even though it is hardly Venezuelan drugs that are killing Americans – and even as he, Trump, had just pardoned and released the ex-president of Honduras, who had been convicted and jailed for flooding the US with 400 tonnes of cocaine.

The lies at home are even more egregious. On the killing of Good, Trump and his officials have urged Americans to disbelieve their own eyes, insisting that Good was a “domestic terrorist” bent on using her car as a weapon when video footage of the incident leaves no doubt that she was not trying to kill ICE agents, but to get away from them. The lying never stops, even when that means defaming the dead. JD Vance called the slain woman a “deranged leftist”.

Of course, what these assaults, domestic and foreign, have in common is the drive for power, free of challenge or restraint. South American countries are to submit, as are Democrat-run cities and states. Whether it’s sending special forces to Caracas or ordering the National Guard into Los Angeles and Washington DC, the goal is control.

Which brings us to that second eruption of honesty. At the end of the week, Trump told the New York Times that he recognises only one constraint on his ability to act: “My own morality. My own mind. It’s the only thing that can stop me.” All the other official checks or balances are as nothing. His disregard for international law is total, but he sees domestic law much the same way: judges only have the power to restrain him “under certain circumstances”, he told the NYT.

That is an honest account by Trump of how he sees himself: not so much a national president as a global emperor. Now those who oppose him have to be just as honest. Trump may be right that the US arsenal is such that no country can stand up to him, and certainly not alone. But the major European powers, and others, do have leverage, especially if they act in concert. More directly, the US public has a formidable weapon in its hands: it can vote to wrest the House of Representatives, at least, from the Republicans in November, which will act as an instant curb on Trump’s power. At home and abroad, it means overcoming fear, combining together and admitting the menace we now confront – and doing so honestly.”
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[just-jim]

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“The shadow of Maduro hangs over Minneapolis.

On January 3rd, the American military extracted the murderous dictator Nicolás Maduro from Caracas. On January 7th, ICE killed a mother in her car in Minnesota. These are two glimpses of a larger story about death and lies.

The abduction of Maduro was not about naming his crimes, but about ignoring them. The worst thing that Maduro did is just what Trump is beginning to do: killing civilians and blaming them for their own deaths. After Minneapolis, Maduro’s lies are being repeated: in American English, by American authorities……..
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https://snyder.substack.com/p/maduro-in-minneapolis?
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