The great Epstein unravelling

[dorankj]

Boy have they! Turns out Epstien hated Trump but was sure good friends with lots of Dems. Biggest backfire ever?! Now we watch how you guys dismiss this.

[Rideback]

Here's what's in the Transparency Bill
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... rency-act/

[mister_coffee]

Wow! The House passes the discharge petition with 1 opposing vote, and then the Senate passes it quickly with unanimous consent.

The winds are shifting here.

[Rideback]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail ... gcqvq@jpeg

[Rideback]

Yes, and just read that MTG stopped attending mass after she became a mother, citing her disappointment with the way the Catholic Church handled the abuse of young boys by their leaders. So, makes even more sense about her decision with the Epstein files. The joint presser she participated in this morning with some of Epstein's victims and 2 other (R) Congressmembers, in anticipation of Wed's vote, was profound.

[mister_coffee]

Actually MTG was raised Catholic, not evangelical.

I have to wonder what it is about cults that so encourage child sexual abuse?

Given some of the things we know well about Donald Trump:

1. Morals and ethics have never got in the way of doing whatever he feels like doing. The only thing that keeps him from doing something is the risk of getting caught.
2. He has been found judicially to have committed sexual assault. And there have been numerous additional accusations of sexual assault.
3. He has publicly bragged about getting away with sexual assault (ref: the Access Hollywood tape).
4. He has a long history of public statements about young women and girls (and actions around them) which were inappropriate or just plain creepy. Including about his own daughter.
5. He brags about cheating on his taxes.
6. He has a well-documented history of cheating on his spouses.
7. He has a well-documented history of cheating at golf.
8. His record of business dealings is a cesspit of corruption and fraud.

That track record is consistent with an extremely corrupt, degenerate person of low moral character. So it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he raped females under the age of 18 if he thought he could get away with it. In fact, in the absence of clear information to the contrary I'd consider it a safe bet that he did.

[Rideback]

Bruce Fanger:
"The Zealot’s Wobble: MTG’s Identity Quake
White Rose USA — November
Marjorie Taylor Greene didn’t break — she wobbled. And for someone built entirely out of conviction, that single tremor means more than a hundred political defections. Greene has always been understood backwards. People think she’s a strategist, a grifter, a carnival-barker, a walking press release. But beneath the noise, she’s something simpler, and far more volatile: a believer whose entire sense of self is fused to a story.
She grew up in the deep pews of Southern evangelical Christianity, where life is explained through cosmic warfare and moral binaries. The world is divided into saved and doomed, righteous and corrupt, chosen and deceived. That worldview didn’t prepare her for nuance — it prepared her for crusades. It didn’t give her intellectual tools — it gave her emotional armor. She carried that worldview everywhere she went.
CrossFit didn’t replace church; it extended it. A new form of revival — tribal, ascetic, punishing, ecstatic. Every rep a ritual. Every personal record a confirmation. But physical intensity couldn’t feed the spiritual hunger forever.
QAnon was waiting to catch her next fall.
And it felt familiar.
Revelation rewritten with hashtags.
Prophecy coded in drops.
Hidden evil, chosen warriors, the final storm — everything she’d been primed to believe since childhood.
And then came Donald Trump, the perfect vessel for a life spent searching for a savior. She didn’t support him politically — she anointed him spiritually. He became the warrior-king in the modern Book of Revelations she carried around in her head. She entered Congress like someone entering a revival tent, and she performed accordingly — rebuking demons rather than debating peers.
Her marriage fell away.
Her old life burned behind her.
Her faith wasn’t broken — it was redistributed.
Church → CrossFit → Conspiracy → Trump.
One fused, continuous, unbroken religion.
And then the Epstein files cracked the story.
To normal Republicans, Trump’s Epstein ties are a scandal.
To Greene, they’re a theological contradiction.
Epstein is the avatar of evil in the mythology she’s built.
Trump is the chosen warrior meant to destroy that evil.
To see the two intertwined is not hypocrisy — it is cosmic dissonance.
So she lashed out.
And then she apologized.
Not out of strategy, but out of existential panic.
Zealots don’t calculate.
Zealots cling.
Her outburst was heartbreak; her apology was fear.
Not of Trump — but of her identity splintering.
A believer whose savior suddenly looks mortal is not rebelling. She’s drowning.
That tiny moment — that wobble — matters.
Because movements don’t crack when leaders defect.
They crack when true believers hesitate.
When the priestess trembles, the congregation feels it.
And for one beat, Marjorie Taylor Greene trembled.
Annotated Source List
Evangelical upbringing / worldview context
TIME Magazine profile detailing Greene’s childhood, family dynamics, and religious culture.
Time.com, “Marjorie Taylor Greene Is a Political Star…,” May 2022.
Reporting on Greene’s church involvement and Christian nationalist framing.
The Atlantic, “The Roots of MTG’s Politics,” 2021.
Family background
Obituary and public records for Robert David “Bob” Taylor.
Funeral Innovations Obituaries, April 2021.
Family business structure and roles.
Taylor Commercial Inc. corporate filings (Georgia).
CrossFit period & affairs reporting
Investigative report on Greene’s gym involvement and personal relationships.
Daily Mail (2012–2016 period reporting), supplemented by Business Insider summaries.
QAnon adoption
Documentation of Greene’s Q posts and engagements.
Media Matters archive of deleted Facebook posts.
Analysis of her conspiratorial worldview.
NBC News, “QAnon’s Influence on MTG,” 2021.
Trump devotion & congressional persona
Congressional record and public statements.
C-SPAN archives (2019–2025).
Greene’s framing of Trump as anointed warrior.
Public speeches; Breitbart and RSBN interviews.
Epstein–Trump connections
Known photos, flight logs, and timelines.
Miami Herald, Julie K. Brown’s investigative series.
Trump Model Management visa cases.
New York Daily News, 2014; The Guardian, 2016.
Trump’s comments on Epstein.
1992 and 2002 on-record interviews.
MTG apology moment
Public statements posted after backlash.
AP News / Greenville News political desk (2025)."

[Rideback]

David, the criminal side of this is long past. The issues of the ripple effects of the power held by the participants is still very much in play. Look at Larry Summer's response just yesterday, after years of feeling comfortable he's now exiting the room. The doors that the Epstein files open for fracturing of long-held associations, networks and certainly secrets is what's in play. The Epstein files are giving the true believers like MTG the opportunity to call it quits on Trump because he's not the warrior she supported, he's instead enmeshed in a sordid lifestyle that goes against the grain of her Evangelical upbringing.

To add to your example, if this valley found out that the leader of a church participated in human trafficking, sexually abused young girls along with other clergy it would shake the religious core of most, not stop at hatred for the individuals. MTG entrusted a near religious belief in Trump as a leader who would adhere to the tenants of religion. To this day, he has not.

https://crooksandliars.com/2025/11/come ... s-national

[PAL]

Who's going to read all this stuff? MTG and GOP want to see what kind of dirt there is on others and people aligned with the Dems.
But what can "they" do regarding any charges brought against anyone? Just because people say things in emails, can they be charged for being pedophiles? Probably not. If Trump pardons Ghislane Maxwell, he will have a big problem there. She's already living a good life in a posh jail, probably for her own safety.
In a press conference in the Oval, of course Trump hoarsly said, "it's the Dems. that wanted these files released. Nope, not all. MTG and others wanted the files released too.
Now, this gives some of the GOP a good excuse to get out from under Trump's thumb. They are being ruled by him and might just be getting a little tired of it.

[mister_coffee]

Hearing it rumored that we're now only 1 more email drop away from a White Bronco pulling up to the WH and Karoline Leavitt driving Trump away...

I think there is zero chance that Trump will suffer any legal consequences for his obvious participation in this filth. The political consequences might be pretty bad for him, though. Although I wouldn't count those chickens before they have hatched.

What really, really disgusts me about this: if you had a prominent member of the community (say a doctor, teacher, or police officer) with the same fact patterns and information as we have right now about Trump and his involvement with a well-known pedophile and human trafficker, it would be a no-brainer that you run that creep out of town. The same thing if a close friend or employee or co-worker was in the same situation.

Like I said, it would be a no-brainer.

Which leads to my other issue: why do we really need to know more about this? There is enough information here for a reasonable person to draw the obvious conclusions. And if there was evidence that proved that Trump never touched a girl I'm sure that would have been released already. So while it is entertaining (and sometimes stomach churning) to watch so many obnoxious powerful people squirm and make excuses for a monster, I think at this point it hurts us more than helps us to have more information. And this isn't a criminal case, there likely will never be a criminal case, we aren't a jury.

So what I'm saying is, that if someone hasn't figured it out by now, the next dump of information is unlikely to convince them and give them a clue. So why do we have to wade through this garbage at all?

[Rideback]

Hearing it rumored that we're now only 1 more email drop away from a White Bronco pulling up to the WH and Karoline Leavitt driving Trump away...

[Rideback]

MTG invested heavily in Trump Truth Social DJT which opened in the 60's but yesterday was at 11 so no doubt she's lost a big chunk of her 'believer' money if she hasn't already sold.

Of all the emails from the Epstein estate, which Trump is mentioned in more than half, the one that wasn't on my bingo card was Epstein's brother asking him about Trump giving 'Bubba' a bj. Widely speculated that Bubba is Bill Clinton and entirely unverified, but lordy that is a visual I'll never be able to unsee.

Then there's the email exchange between Epstein and Norway go betweens to Russia where Epstein is offering insights to Putin into how to manage Trump just days before the infamous Helsinki meeting where Trump destroyed the notes of the meeting and came out looking blindsided to stand beside a triumphant Putin as Trump told the crowd he trusted Putin more than US intel agencies.

[mister_coffee]

This is from: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... f-the-year

Patty Owen, an Elle and Cosmopolitan cover star, recalls seeing Trump at Elite parties as far back as 1982. “He would always be at the bar. That’s where he would stay and that’s where all the new models would hang out,” she says. “Whenever I saw him, I was always like: why does John have to invite him?” Barbara Pilling, also then an Elite model, told us Trump asked her out for dinner in the summer of 1989 at an industry soiree. She recalls Trump asking how old she was. “I said 17 and he said, ‘That’s just great – you’re not too old, not too young.’”

Italics are mine.

Oh, and something about pictures being worth a thousand words...

[mister_coffee]

My question about MTG is whether she is a disillusioned True Believer or someone who detects which way the wind is blowing and is going after the Main Chance.

[PAL]

Problem with MTG is that she hopes this administration will fight for the American people. The admin. totally backs Trump, so that is not going to change much. But MTG may be opening her eyes and may, at some point, open them wider.

[mister_coffee]

Screen Shot 2025-11-15 at 6.34.09 AM.png

Y'know, if a notorious pedophile and human trafficker says you are a very bad person you might, just might, want to re-examine your life choices.

[Rideback]

Marjorie Taylor Greene calls out Trump's lies. She's done with him.
https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=691E57CA

[mister_coffee]

I'm having a big problem with how the media is talking about the latest releases about Epstein. It seems to me that this whole scandal has exposed both a profound moral and intellectual rot at the heart of our society.

At the root of this, I've noticed that many people reporting on this mess emphasize, in one set of phrases or another, that there is "no evidence" that Donald Trump performed sexual acts with young girls. While on one level technically true, it ignores Mr. Trump's long history of actions and public statements that demonstrate conclusively that he is a creep and a pervert. And further there are zero examples in his well-documented history where if presented with an opportunity where he thought he could get away with something he refrained for reasons of conscience or basic decency.

It also ignores that it isn't clear what "evidence" would look like that would satisfy these people. I suspect that if even worse revelations come out (and I think they will) the goalposts will be conveniently moved again and again.

What really had me projectile vomiting though, was Megyn Kelly's latest podcast where she argued, basically that it wasn't really pedophilia becuase the victims were teenagers. And that when these children "aged out" and no longer interested Mr. Epstein they were "passed on" to his friends and associates, which wasn't technically illegal. I really don't know what to make of such an argument except that Ms. Kelly is a real piece of garbage if she actually believes that. I, for one, hope she was paid handsomely for that filth and only did it for the money. Which is appalling but still less appalling than actually believing the words that came from her mouth.

At the core, the question that will always bother me is that even hard-core convicted criminals know to shun child molesters. How could an (apparently) large body of wealthy and powerful men think it was a good idea to associate with one?

[mister_coffee]

Screen Shot 2025-11-13 at 2.50.34 PM.png

[mister_coffee]

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or someone who can play 7-dimensional chess to figure out what really happened here.

[just-jim]

.

IMG_0269.jpeg

.

[Rideback]

25 women who have accused Trump of rape, sexual assault or harassment
https://scontent-sea5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=691B0833

[Rideback]

New releases from both Dems & Republicans as well as journalist Michael Wolff today
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politi ... 85568.html

[Rideback]

The Epstein estate has been releasing documents, including emails to the Congressional committee, the latest drop includes an itinerary showing that Epstein planned on a gathering on his Caribbean island with Musk, Thiel and Bannon.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=68DCC206

[just-jim]

.
JUST today!

A new Statue on the National Mall!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ein-statue
.

IMG_0400.jpeg

.