The great Epstein unravelling

[mister_coffee]

False equivalence and whataboutism don’t make the facts disappear.

All of us with functioning brains knew that Donald Trump was a pervert sex criminal. What is so enjoyable about this moment is watching some of his cult members discover this unpleasant fact as well. Watching people who so enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on others go through mental anguish over this very entertaining. There is kind of a rough justice to this moment.

And let's face it, "it wasn't technically rape" isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of someone's character.

I do not believe Trump will suffer any direct consequences for this. So there is no point to getting knives out.

[dorankj]

You guys here never cared about this stuff when the last guy was in charge, maybe this is more about your political knife sharpening than 'finding truth'?

[mister_coffee]

How fitting. Poll finds 69% are not liking the coverup.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 025-07-17/

More accurately, 69 percent of respondents to the poll think the government is hiding details about Epstein's clients, while 6 percent do not and 25 percent do not know or have no opinion.

[Rideback]

How fitting. Poll finds 69% are not liking the coverup.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump- ... 025-07-17/

[just-jim]

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The Gua has a good timeline here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ga-turmoil

Ya gotta have a program to keep the players straight…
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[mister_coffee]

Cults become infinitely more dangerous when they begin to unravel.

[just-jim]

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MC is right. It’s crickets from Fox, et al….
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[Rideback]

Bill O'Reilly gets corrected on his Epstein spin
https://crooksandliars.com/2025/07/bill ... e_vignette

[mister_coffee]

[mister_coffee]

I think the silence of some people in our community on this topic speaks volumes. They are waiting to be told what to think but are too confused at the moment to know how to respond.

We all know what Donald Trump did here.

[Rideback]

Interesting twist. James Comey's daughter was the prosecutor on the Epstein trial. She was fired today by Pam Bondi.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/07/1 ... j-00458921

[mister_coffee]

[mister_coffee]

If you read any history part of the pattern of cult leaders is that they often sexually abuse children.

E.G. Mao, Jim Jones, David Koresh, ...

[just-jim]

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[mister_coffee]

In one sense I have to wonder what the big deal is. It is hard to imagine something so awful in those files that the House impeaches him, the Senate convicts him, and Pam Bondi's Justice Department pursues criminal charges.

I'm serious: Trump could have engaged in cannibalism on live TV at this point and nothing would happen to him.

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Speaker Johnson is breaking ranks from Trump and asking for an investigation. Meanwhile, MTG is going right for the blockbuster and demanding a Special Counsel https://joycevance.substack.com/p/we-wa ... irect=true

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It doesn't help her series of stories nor pull Trump out of the loop.

[mister_coffee]

That letter makes it all make even less sense.

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Pam Bondi's letter of Feb 27 to Kash Patel on the docs
https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1391331/dl?inline=

[mister_coffee]

She needs to avoid windows and tea.

Although seriously if she had an unfortunate accident I can't imagine that very many people would think it was actually an accident.

[Rideback]

Glee Violette
"BREAKING - Jeffrey Epstein's partner, Ghislaine Maxwell, wants her conviction overturned.
Trump's Attorney General Pam Bondi says there was NO client list, NO files, so therefore, NO crime. And Ghislaine says, "Cool. So why am I being locked up for 20 years?"
NOT SO FAST, says Bondi - and her Department of Justice is now telling the Trump appointees on the Supreme Court to slap this down. NOW.
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Newsweek reports that In April, Maxwell submitted a plea to the Supreme Court to overturn her conviction. She said she was covered by a non-prosecution agreement made between between JEFFREY EPSTEIN and the U.S. government in 2007 regarding his OTHER co-conspirators.
But the DOJ argued in a new filing that Maxwell was not a party to that agreement. Even though she was convicted for BEING a co-conspirator.
But apparently, to the DOJ, the term "co-conspirator" only applies to the pedophile rapists on the "Client List" - the one that no longer exists - excuse me, NEVER existed.
The filing by Bondi's DOJ reads "This systematic review revealed no incriminating 'client list.' There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties."
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So Maxwell's lawyer, David Oscar Markus, is trying a new tactic.
Some might call it flattery. Some might call it VERY carefully worded extortion.
"I'd be surprised if President Trump knew his lawyers were asking the Supreme Court to let the government break a deal," Markus said, adding: "He's the ultimate dealmaker."
"I'm sure he'd agree that when the United States gives its word, it should keep it," he said. "With all the talk about who's being prosecuted and who isn't, it's especially unfair that Ghislaine Maxwell remains in prison based on a promise the government made and broke."
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Meanwhile, an anonymous source speaking to the Daily Mail says that Maxwell has expressed a willingness to testify before Congress about her experiences.
REALLY? BRING IT ON, says Roger Stone, the man Trump credits as his mentor and teacher (and whom he pardoned for pecadilloes of his own, 7 felony counts of obstruction, witness tampering, and lying to Congress, which spared him from a 40 month prison sentence.)
Stone expressed a threat of his own when he heard this.
"Personally, I like the news that Epstein's pimp Maxwell is ready to testify before Congress. Bill and Hillary [the Clintons] are going to be very embarrassed. She has nothing on Trump."
Hold on Roger. Pam Bondi says the Epstein Files don't even EXIST.
And aren't you LISTENING to your boy Donald? He says the Epstein Files DO exist, but that Hillary WROTE them. Of course, that begs the question, WHY would she put her husband Bill in it, if she WROTE it?
You people really need to get your stories straight.
And NEWS FLASH, Roger. Decent people do not approve of pedophile rapists. No matter WHO they are. They want to see even a PRESIDENT go to jail. It does not matter if he is DEMOCRAT or REPUBLICAN.
But then, NONE of you have a clue about what a decent person thinks, do you?
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Ghislaine Maxwell and her lawyer are being VERY careful, because after she was sentenced in June of 2020, Trump issued an offhand statement that could be taken as a threat of his own. Several times. Just to make sure she got it.
One of those times was on August 3rd, 2020. While he was still in office, and Bill Barr was still in charge of the prisons.
"In an interview with Axios on HBO that aired Monday, Trump was asked why he wished Maxwell well when she's been arrested on allegations of child sex trafficking. "Well, first of all you don't know that," Trump said to the allegations of child sex trafficking.
"Her friend or boyfriend (Epstein) was either killed or committed suicide. She's now in jail. Yeah, I wish her well. I'd wish you well. I'd wish a lot of people well. Good luck. Let them prove somebody was guilty."
When asked to clarify whether he was suggesting he hoped she doesn't die in jail, Trump told Axios: "Her boyfriend died in jail and people are still trying to figure out, how did it happen? Was it suicide? Was he killed? And I do wish her well. I'm not looking for anything bad for her."
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There were questions about Epstein's suicide in Rikers Prison, sometime overnight between August 9-10, 2019.
His cellmate, a cop-informant, was removed earlier that day. Only two guards were on duty, who both "fell asleep". The two cameras both "malfunctioned". And reporters who wanted to interview the warden the next day were told he had been "transferred".
But of course, NOW we KNOW that it WAS suicide. Attorney General Pam Bondi said so, officially. She did change one aspect of the story, though. Turns out, the two cameras did not "malfunction". There was only ONE, and it was just "recalibrating" for the minute before midnight. She said, without offering proof, that ALL the cameras do this EVERY night. And that just "happened" to be the minute Epstein chose to kill himself.
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Really? It happened THAT early?
CNN reported on Tuesday, November 19, 2019 that the two guards, Tova Noel and Michael Thomas, repeatedly failed to check on Epstein as required and then filed false forms saying they had. The guards pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy and filing false documents in Manhattan federal court and were released on bail packages that include a $100,000 bond for each defendant.
(Where did they get that kind of money?)
Detailed records show that both guards claimed to make all the cell checks overnight, but did not. They never moved from their desks.
Epstein's death was not discovered until the breakfast carts were brought around at 6:30 a.m., and he was found "alone in his cell and not responsive, with a noose around his neck."
Where he got the "noose" and what it consisted of was never explained. Bill Barr's prison officials had very conveniently already supposedly put Epstein on a "suicide watch" - just in case something "happened" - and would have presumably removed his shoelaces and his belt. So, what DID he hang himself with?
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BOTTOM LINE. Ghislaine is being very careful not to directly threaten Trump. It could be very bad for her health. Her lawyer is carfully trying to frame his threat as flattery, as well. The fact remains, though, that SHE is the only person on earth who could bring down Trump and all his rich and powerful ... friends.
They deny it ever happened, and the dozens of brave underage exploited teenage girls who came forward have been ignored by every state and federal Department of Justice and Court.
There is only Ghislaine Maxwell, now. And nobody wishes her well."
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[just-jim]

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A term that has fallen out of use…..seems apropos, now: ‘Hoist on his own petard’.
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[Rideback]

Fox shows all day have been talking Epstein and just now a host said they simply didn't believe the WH explanation.

[mister_coffee]

Word is that the White House is calling MAGA influencers and telling them to stop talking about Epstein. With an implied threat that they will be cut out of any access in the future if they don't.

Occam's Razor is very sharp. And in this case what is really going on is just too damned obvious.