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"What Donald Trump did on Friday should make the hair on the back of your neck stand on end. Trump literally fabricated evidence in an effort to keep Abrego Garcia in a prison in El Salvador. You must understand that Trump would do that very thing to imprison anyone he wants to “disappear” --including you or your family. I can say that with 100% confidence because Trump is following the fascist playbook and that is what they have long done to critics or anyone else they simply want to make vanish. This is where we are as a nation.
We have all seen Trump lie to support his claims. But the way his regime has defended the unconstitutional deportation of Garcia means we have entered a new and far more dangerous for all of us. And I’m not talking about a “constitutional crisis,” I mean far worse.
It began a few weeks ago with Trump and his regime claiming Garcia was a “convicted” member MS-13 despite Garcia never having been charged with any crimes since he came to the U.S. in 2011—let alone convicted. However, as we know, facts don’t matter to convicted felon Trump.
So when the courts including the U.S. Supreme Court ordered that the corrupt Trump regime should “facilitate” Garcia’s return to the U.S. because they failed to provide “due process,” they began to escalate their lies because it plays well with the MAGA base. Soon we had Attorney General Pam Bondi on Fox News claiming that Garcia was “one of the top MS-13 members" and "a terrorist." Yes, she called him a terrorist as did others in Trump world.
Then on Friday, Trump did something we never saw before from a US President. He posted a clearly fabricated photo of Garcia’s hand with a tattoo on it that reads, “MS-13.” Trump wrote on the social media post accompanying that photo, “This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such “a fine and innocent person.” Trump then added to make sure people looked closely at the photo, “They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles…” You can see the post below.
That photo is a fake. It’s a phony. It’s made up. Garcia does not have a tattoo that literally reads MS-13 on his hand as Trump wrote and his fabricated photo depict. If he did, the very first piece of evidence the Trump regime would have cited in this several week episode would have been that. It would have been the defining image of this case. And every Republican and Trump official would have been citing that tattoo in the media.
Backing that up are photos of Garcia’s hand when he met Sen. Chris Van Hollen two days ago that show no such tattoo on his hand. (For example, see photos below from journalist Matt Novak who is a reporter at Gizmodo)
And Garcia’s own lawyer on CNN Friday night confirmed he has no such tattoo.
This should be bone-chilling. Trump has now fully embraced the dictator playbook be it people from the past like Hitler and Chile’s Pinochet to more contemporary figures like Saudi Arabia’s MBS and Trump’s close ally Vladimir Putin. They all have utilized trumped up charges and fabricated evidence in support of disappearing people they wanted gone. And it’s 100% what Trump is doing now.
We know Democrats are not the best at staying on message, but I’ve been heartened to see Democrats repeat one phrase over and over when it comes to Garcia: If Trump can do this to Garcia, he can do this to any of us.
Rep. Maxwell Frost made that point Tuesday on CNN this week warning that this case is “about every single American in this country.” Frost explained that the Trump regime wants to be able to “send anybody, whether a citizen or not, overseas” and then refuse to return them even if a court order. He noted, “Today it’s Mr. Garcia, tomorrow it can be any one of us.” (Rep. Frost below)
We heard that message Friday from Sen. Chris Van Hollen after returning from visiting Garcia in the prison in El Salvador when he declared, “people must understand this case is not just about one man. It’s about protecting the constitutional rights of everybody who resides in the United States of America.” The Senator added, “If you deny the constitutional right of one man, you threaten the constitutional rights and due process for everyone else in America.”
And Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass) echoed that same point in speaking about Garcia and our civil liberties on MSNBC Friday, warning “what people need to remember is that this can happen to any of us. Every American needs to know, as you watch this on TV, that you could be next.” He then added a very alarming but correct line, “This administration has no red lines.”
Moulton is 100% correct: The Trump regime has “no red lines.” We are watching them confirm that in real time over the past week as they not only doubled and tripled down on lies concerning Garcia—but then escalated their lies to claim he was somehow a “terrorist.” And now Trump and his regime have openly fabricated evidence that Garcia has a tattoo on his hand that reads MS-13.
The goal of the Trump regime is exactly what a Ronald Reagan appointed federal judge wrote in a U.S. Court of Appeals opinion this week on the Garcia case. As the judge noted, Trump regime wants the “right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order.” The ruling continued, “This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”
We are watching Trump accuse a person of a crime then peddle lies and even fabricate evidence to support imprisoning that person. That is the power Trump and his regime are openly fighting for to use against anyone. And that is why for the sake of our freedom—and our families’—we must fight back." Dean Obeidallah
We have all seen Trump lie to support his claims. But the way his regime has defended the unconstitutional deportation of Garcia means we have entered a new and far more dangerous for all of us. And I’m not talking about a “constitutional crisis,” I mean far worse.
It began a few weeks ago with Trump and his regime claiming Garcia was a “convicted” member MS-13 despite Garcia never having been charged with any crimes since he came to the U.S. in 2011—let alone convicted. However, as we know, facts don’t matter to convicted felon Trump.
So when the courts including the U.S. Supreme Court ordered that the corrupt Trump regime should “facilitate” Garcia’s return to the U.S. because they failed to provide “due process,” they began to escalate their lies because it plays well with the MAGA base. Soon we had Attorney General Pam Bondi on Fox News claiming that Garcia was “one of the top MS-13 members" and "a terrorist." Yes, she called him a terrorist as did others in Trump world.
Then on Friday, Trump did something we never saw before from a US President. He posted a clearly fabricated photo of Garcia’s hand with a tattoo on it that reads, “MS-13.” Trump wrote on the social media post accompanying that photo, “This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such “a fine and innocent person.” Trump then added to make sure people looked closely at the photo, “They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles…” You can see the post below.
That photo is a fake. It’s a phony. It’s made up. Garcia does not have a tattoo that literally reads MS-13 on his hand as Trump wrote and his fabricated photo depict. If he did, the very first piece of evidence the Trump regime would have cited in this several week episode would have been that. It would have been the defining image of this case. And every Republican and Trump official would have been citing that tattoo in the media.
Backing that up are photos of Garcia’s hand when he met Sen. Chris Van Hollen two days ago that show no such tattoo on his hand. (For example, see photos below from journalist Matt Novak who is a reporter at Gizmodo)
And Garcia’s own lawyer on CNN Friday night confirmed he has no such tattoo.
This should be bone-chilling. Trump has now fully embraced the dictator playbook be it people from the past like Hitler and Chile’s Pinochet to more contemporary figures like Saudi Arabia’s MBS and Trump’s close ally Vladimir Putin. They all have utilized trumped up charges and fabricated evidence in support of disappearing people they wanted gone. And it’s 100% what Trump is doing now.
We know Democrats are not the best at staying on message, but I’ve been heartened to see Democrats repeat one phrase over and over when it comes to Garcia: If Trump can do this to Garcia, he can do this to any of us.
Rep. Maxwell Frost made that point Tuesday on CNN this week warning that this case is “about every single American in this country.” Frost explained that the Trump regime wants to be able to “send anybody, whether a citizen or not, overseas” and then refuse to return them even if a court order. He noted, “Today it’s Mr. Garcia, tomorrow it can be any one of us.” (Rep. Frost below)
We heard that message Friday from Sen. Chris Van Hollen after returning from visiting Garcia in the prison in El Salvador when he declared, “people must understand this case is not just about one man. It’s about protecting the constitutional rights of everybody who resides in the United States of America.” The Senator added, “If you deny the constitutional right of one man, you threaten the constitutional rights and due process for everyone else in America.”
And Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass) echoed that same point in speaking about Garcia and our civil liberties on MSNBC Friday, warning “what people need to remember is that this can happen to any of us. Every American needs to know, as you watch this on TV, that you could be next.” He then added a very alarming but correct line, “This administration has no red lines.”
Moulton is 100% correct: The Trump regime has “no red lines.” We are watching them confirm that in real time over the past week as they not only doubled and tripled down on lies concerning Garcia—but then escalated their lies to claim he was somehow a “terrorist.” And now Trump and his regime have openly fabricated evidence that Garcia has a tattoo on his hand that reads MS-13.
The goal of the Trump regime is exactly what a Ronald Reagan appointed federal judge wrote in a U.S. Court of Appeals opinion this week on the Garcia case. As the judge noted, Trump regime wants the “right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order.” The ruling continued, “This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”
We are watching Trump accuse a person of a crime then peddle lies and even fabricate evidence to support imprisoning that person. That is the power Trump and his regime are openly fighting for to use against anyone. And that is why for the sake of our freedom—and our families’—we must fight back." Dean Obeidallah
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David, well in Ken's mind Trump and his people are innocent even after multiple courts find them guilty, because, ya know, noise....
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But that's only for his people!Rideback wrote: Sun Apr 20, 2025 7:15 pm Sad that you don't understand innocent until proven guilty.


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Wrong. Show your work. Read the court papers.
Sad that you don't understand innocent until proven guilty.
Sad that you don't understand innocent until proven guilty.
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I believe 2 courts have found him to be a member of a foreign criminal organization and that he can be removed for that because he is NOT a citizen.
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So you don't believe in innocent until proven guilty. That's what you've been trying to put across. ok.
Garcia is not a member of a gang, people who write op eds questioning treatment of Gaza, children in schools, the 24 year old in El Salvador who had a name similar to a guy ICE was after but wasn't the same guy, ICE agents responded 'take him anyway'. But that's ok with Ken, in fact he thinks it's good policing.
Garcia is not a member of a gang, people who write op eds questioning treatment of Gaza, children in schools, the 24 year old in El Salvador who had a name similar to a guy ICE was after but wasn't the same guy, ICE agents responded 'take him anyway'. But that's ok with Ken, in fact he thinks it's good policing.
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No, I’m not here illegally, a member of a designated foreign terrorist gang, illegal human trafficker or wife beater. WE ARE NOT THE SAME.
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If he loses his habeas you lose your habeas.
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Weak sauce! This guy’s a dirtbag and should stay in El Salvador WERE HE IS A CITIZEN!
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Again, nothing in the court filings makes the case you're stating. It's all spin from the right wing media. And yet again, there's a whole lot of judges, including the SCOTUS burning the midnight oil Fri night/Sat am that are not ruling in line with your excuses.
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The case to let all the illegals in was never made in court either, it was executive order, why? Because it’s AGAINST THE LAW to enter illegally and this person was ordered removed twice in court. Your WILLFUL ignorance to only focus on which country (his HOME country) that he can be deported and all the obvious additional evidence (wife abuse, human trafficking, gang affiliation) is stunning! But if you can’t think for yourself and a just a lap-dog for certain media I guess you become stunningly clueless.
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If any of those claims had a shred of truth they could have brought them in open court and deported him lawfully.
The fact that they didn't says a lot about what is really going on here.
The fact that they didn't says a lot about what is really going on here.
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Again, you and Trump can manufacture all the fakery you want but it doesn't matter. The issue is that the Trump's administration didn't follow the law. If they don't follow the law they are breaking the law and we have a Constitutional crisis.
The charges you keep making are not what the govt has presented in court. The media and Trumpers make your same charges in the public forum but when it comes to making them in court where they're under oath then it's a whole other ballgame. I thought you might have learned from the Dominion case against Fox where Fox lies where proven. Your media lies to you.
The charges you keep making are not what the govt has presented in court. The media and Trumpers make your same charges in the public forum but when it comes to making them in court where they're under oath then it's a whole other ballgame. I thought you might have learned from the Dominion case against Fox where Fox lies where proven. Your media lies to you.
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Except police and video evidence.
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No record of him being a human trafficker, I know you'd like to believe that but ya know, it wouldn't matter even if he was because everyone, even Trump was afforded due process for his 37 felonies. No one is above the law, not Trump or his DoJ and so yes a judge has the responsibility and the right to rule on the law. Clearly the Trump admin has not followed the law.
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He also a human trafficker of ILLEGAL aliens, you fools need to get the truth through your thick heads, he’s ILLEGAL and can’t stay here. He’s been RETURNED to HIS home country (just as we repeatedly demand of our citizens) the President has exclusive authority over foreign policy and NO judge can supersede that (otherwise we have 600+ presidents!) Stop gobbling up stupid media spin and dumb politician antics.
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point by point explanation why due process mattered to the framers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QegYZHK ... KPHw-e_3XA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QegYZHK ... KPHw-e_3XA
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https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bs ... 3nbw35is2k
The accusations against Garcia on right wing media do not match the court filings.
The accusations against Garcia on right wing media do not match the court filings.
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Well, the principles our government is founded on, namely rule of law and equal protection under the law, only work and only make any sense at all if they apply to everybody. Including undocumented immigrants, terrorists, and people who abuse puppies.
A system that protects some people and not others is not sustainable.
A system that protects some people and not others is not sustainable.


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The wife said they had gotten counseling. As hostile as you are Ken, maybe think about it too?
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The Constitution spells out that everyone gets due process. He has not received that under this Trump Admin. It is absolutely irrelevant that his wife sought a TRO against him, get that thru your head. He was not a member of the gang, the cop who was responsible for that was suspended. He lied.
But again, the whole point here is that we live in a Country that exists because the Founders wanted to rebel against King George's depriving them of due process. It is a bedrock of the Constitution and this news cannot obscure that fact.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wife-man-m ... go-garcia/
But again, the whole point here is that we live in a Country that exists because the Founders wanted to rebel against King George's depriving them of due process. It is a bedrock of the Constitution and this news cannot obscure that fact.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/wife-man-m ... go-garcia/
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He’s a repeated wife beater (who requested repeated restraining orders) with valid court ordered deportation orders and court identified MS-13 gang ties. He’s a El Salvadoran citizen and should be held there, I bet it costs less than holding him here. You guys jump on dumb ‘icons’ to back but you seem to do ANYTHING your propaganda tells you back. Sheeple
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Thanks for the backstory Rideback.
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The appeals panel unanimous ruling is not appealable to SCOTUS because SCOTUS has already ruled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hacYoEFvsKQ
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In the Garcia case, court filings:
While a judge granted Garcia's Withholding to Return Order, it was Trump's Dept of Homeland Security in 2019 that authorized Garcia's work permit. The permit requires a background check and criminal clearance, which he got in 2019...while Trump was president. Trump's own DHS cleared Garcia to stay and work in the US.
They authorized him and found no valid reason not to grant his work permit, Garcia was required to annually check in with ICE and to renew his work permit with ICE. That means Trump's own DHS and ICE re cleared him in consecutive years.
Garcia did check in with ICE yearly while DHS issued him work permits his attorneys said in court filings. Garcia jointed a union and was employed full time as a sheet metal apprentice.
While a judge granted Garcia's Withholding to Return Order, it was Trump's Dept of Homeland Security in 2019 that authorized Garcia's work permit. The permit requires a background check and criminal clearance, which he got in 2019...while Trump was president. Trump's own DHS cleared Garcia to stay and work in the US.
They authorized him and found no valid reason not to grant his work permit, Garcia was required to annually check in with ICE and to renew his work permit with ICE. That means Trump's own DHS and ICE re cleared him in consecutive years.
Garcia did check in with ICE yearly while DHS issued him work permits his attorneys said in court filings. Garcia jointed a union and was employed full time as a sheet metal apprentice.
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