It's Illegal Already

[just-jim]

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Very good points, MC! Interesting which party really does care about human lives.

Not to mention that Dim-wit still doesn’t understand what ‘experimental’ means when it’s applied to a new vaccine or drug (not that he ever could, anyway).
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[mister_coffee]

This from the crew who just a couple years ago wanted people to die horribly from ‘COVID’ and/or be forcibly ‘vaccinated’ with the experimental juice! Such nonsense.

I'll bite and as a bonus I will weave a contorted path back to the number of people voting in the 2024 election.

This quite good peer-reviewed study puts a conservative lower bound on the number of people who died between May of 2021 and August of 2022. That lower bound is 232_000 people who died because they were unvaccinated.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10123459/

Their methodology is pretty reasonable and their "sample" dataset covers about two-thirds of the US, and that sample is pretty comparable in demographics to the whole US. So there probably isn't an obvious technical flaw in their study. You can also look at state-level data and compare it and nothing grossly out of line pops up. So this is probably as good a guess as we are going to get.

Even assuming that no unvaccinated people have died in the last two years (since August 2022) that is a pretty significant number and a pretty large percentage of total COVID-19 deaths in that time period.

It is significant for another reason too: the 2024 election looks to be one that will be won or lost by razor-thin margins. It doesn't take a statistical or mathematical genius to realize that in a case where individual states may have a margin of less than 10_000 votes, the number of unvaccinated people who are unable to vote because they are dead might swing the race one way or the other.

We know that vaccine uptake is higher in blue states, and higher still in blue counties. Which arguably means most of those 232_000 deaths are in more R8N areas. So it isn't implausible that this factor all by itself could swing the race in, say, Arizona or Georgia or (possibly) North Carolina.

This isn't hypothetical, either. There is good evidence that a statewide race in Arizona (Attorney General) in 2022 was impacted by COVID-19 deaths:

https://split-ticket.org/2023/02/05/did ... elections/

So a victory for Harris would be a victory for science, in a way...

To mistrust science and deny the validity of scientific method is to resign your job as a human. You'd better go look for work as a plant or wild animal.

P. J. O'Rourke

For myself, I'm sticking with the political party that wants to keep its voters alive.

[Rideback]

Only in your imagination have 'us guys' been wrong. Reality bites!

[dorankj]

You guys haven’t been right about nearly anything yet but still you persist in spouting your nonsense! Maybe we shouldn’t listen to people who are so frequently just plain wrong?

[Rideback]

Won't be surprising if Trump calls off the debate because he has bone spurs.

[just-jim]

You are seeing the right-wing playbook in action: keep changing the subject but always attack, attack, attack.

Yup….just keep posting bull*** and lies; never answer a question. On and on….over and over.

It’s gonna be fun watching Fatso FELON donnie next week! Harris is going to leave him drooling.
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[mister_coffee]

You are seeing the right-wing playbook in action: keep changing the subject but always attack, attack, attack.

[Rideback]

Stay on topic.

[dorankj]

This from the crew who just a couple years ago wanted people to die horribly from ‘COVID’ and/or be forcibly ‘vaccinated’ with the experimental juice! Such nonsense.

[Rideback]

From the interview Trump gave Sean Hannity at a TownHall. Pretty much a preview of next week's debate
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/f ... an-hannity

[mister_coffee]

How exactly can "the nastiest means available" not be cruel and unusual punishment. Keep in mind that a lot of wise people have argued that the death penalty, by definition, is cruel and unusual. You might not agree with that (I'm not sure I do) but I do think that torturing people to death would certainly be cruel and unusual.

I do know that our somewhat messed up criminal justice system can and does murder innocent people from time to time. And that is a huge problem for our country and our society.

[Jingles]

Read the constitution, savage:

6th Amendment:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Vern, care to explain to your friends and neighbors here why you hate America so much?

It's not that I hate America but I do hate the bleeding hearts liberals that are taking this Nation apart and destroying it. I would hardly call an execution of the guilty party of taking a life in the commission of a crime cruel or unusual punishment. Much rather have that than them spending ? years in a prison at tax payers expense.

[mister_coffee]

Again, if it is already illegal and we are already so effective at purging illegal immigrants from the voter rolls then why do we need another law? What problem are we solving here?

[Rideback]

Haven't seen one article, Ken, why don't you post one. Here, I'll help you out.
https://www.ap.org/news-highlights/elec ... -election/

https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/lates ... rcna168815
'Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said this week that more than 1 million people have been removed from the state's voter rolls over the past three years, touting the removals as part of an effort to protect voting rights and prevent voter fraud — an already illegal and exceedingly rare occurrence that Republicans have made a centerpiece of their attacks on immigration.

In a statement on Monday, the Republican governor attributed the mass purge of ineligible voters from state records — which he said included “noncitizens, deceased voters, and people who moved to another state” — to election legislation he signed in 2021.

“Illegal voting in Texas will never be tolerated,” Abbott said. “We will continue to actively safeguard Texans’ sacred right to vote while also aggressively protecting our elections from illegal voting.”

But his statement doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Election experts have said that such removals are simply routine voter roll maintenance (not to mention a requirement under federal law) and warned that Abbott's remarks could reinforce distrust in the election process. (“A spokesman for Mr. Abbott referred questions to the secretary of state’s office,” The New York Times reported.) A coalition of voting rights groups in the state have also raised concerns that eligible voters may have been wrongly flagged as noncitizens and removed from voter rolls — which is already happening in other states, as NBC News reported.

Abbott's claim that he is protecting voter rights is also suspect, given that Texas Republicans have been accused of creating unnecessary burdens for nonwhite and disabled voters by limiting access to the ballot box, especially in blue pockets of the state.

Just last week, state Attorney General Ken Paxton ordered raids on the homes of prominent Latino Democrats and members of the League of United Latin American Citizens (LULAC), a nonpartisan Latino civil rights groups. Paxton claimed that the operation is part of an "election integrity investigation," but his office did not explain why specific homes were targeted. LULAC said that it had not been informed of the details of the allegations against any of its members. The group has asked the U.S. Justice Department to open a probe into Paxton's office for potentially violating the Voting Rights Act of 1965.'

[dorankj]

Sure are a lot of current news stories about how many illegal voters have been purged in various states!

[Rideback]

Jingles:
pro tip: a teenager with a weapon and a grudge is not a "well-regulated militia"
Get a clue about the laws that have been left on the table year after year and not enacted, every time via obstruction in a Rep block.

Since this is a thread about voter fraud, I'll just state that voter fraud has been perpetrated overwhelmingly by Rep's, not illegals, which is the conclusion of every investigation undertaken.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... zen-voting
Gotta love the Mike Johnson quote: '...but we just don't have the evidence'

[mister_coffee]

Read the constitution, savage:

6th Amendment:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Vern, care to explain to your friends and neighbors here why you hate America so much?

[Jingles]

The difference, Ken, is that the laws governing voting are in place and enforceable. The laws governing purchasing guns, ammo, carry and use of guns are not in place. The latest shooting was carried out by a 14 year old whose dad bought the gun for him last year when he was 13. Hello?

Another misinformed individual as there are laws in place, and have been inplace for decades regarding purchasing guns, ammo, carry and use. In fact the carry law has been in affect since 15 December 1791.
What is not in place are severe enough penalties for those that break those laws. Only need the bleeding hearts to agree that if you take a life in the commission of a crime your speedy trial ends with the law breakers having 72 hrs to get their affairs in order before they are executed by the nastiest means available, be it public hanging, electrocution, lethal injection or firing squad that would be their 4 choices.

[Rideback]

The difference, Ken, is that the laws governing voting are in place and enforceable. The laws governing purchasing guns, ammo, carry and use of guns are not in place. The latest shooting was carried out by a 14 year old whose dad bought the gun for him last year when he was 13. Hello?

[dorankj]

But you guys always say more laws will fix gun violence! Such bull*** artists.

[just-jim]

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We need AT LEAST five or six more laws prohibiting illegal voting. Of course THAT will make everything OK!

Although, Ken will likely want 12 or 15 more laws, right? ‘Cause mo’ be betta’….! Always!
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[mister_coffee]

It also begs the question: if people are lying about their citizenship status to register to vote, how does passing another law about it fix the problem?

[Rideback]

Ken, year after year investigations are underway to find out if voter fraud has occurred. And at the end of every investigation there ends up being only a handful of people who abused the system. Interestingly, there are more Reps voting twice or making fraudulent votes than there are illegal immigrants.

Either way, you can look it up, there just aren't that many cases that are ever proven of voter fraud. And never enough that would change the outcome of an election in a Presidential race.

[dorankj]

And of course no one EVER lies (especially someone who is constantly lying about being here)! So lame and naive.

[PAL]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... af99&ei=18

Of course it is illegal for non-citizens to vote!