How GUILTY donnie plans on stealing…..

[mister_coffee]

.... e.g. white, poorly educated males ...

Ironic that through much of our history poorly educated folks, regardless of race or gender, did not have the right to vote. Of course, we are talking about the poorly educated here and they couldn't possibly know that.

Even in the ancient Roman Republic the Plebes had a vote. Before the Civil War in America you needed to own land to vote. Which in many states put you amongst the very wealthiest of folks. And the only people who actually got any kind of education were the wealthy in those times.

[Rideback]

Perhaps Obama had the best line of last night's DNC convention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OHcq9L1AGw

[just-jim]

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I think I have translated Jingles’ word salad:

‘Real he-man Americans - e.g. white, poorly educated males - get out and do manly-man physical labor. The rest of you sissies and bed-wetter aren’t really deserving enough to vote anyway, so you can go pound sand….and vote when, where and how we decide you can.’
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[PAL]

Gerrymandering, yes. Polls closing on people still in line. Oh, they should have gotten there earlier.
As in take off work, I guess, to stand in line 3 or more hours, only to have the door shut. This happens.

[mister_coffee]

... Impressed Nope not in the slightest

What should impress you is that my experience is pretty damned common. Also if you hadn't noticed the "Co Work" spaces in the valley it tells me that there are a lot of people like me who are engaged in remote work here. Those kind of work situations were remarkable in 1994 but not today.

Today there are companies with multi-billion dollar market caps and no physical presence whatsoever. They exist purely in cyberspace. Their 1600-odd employees all work at home. Often in their pajamas.

What should also impress you is that you use software every day was written by me and a few hundred thousand other people like me, and most of that code was written by people working at home. Whether we were wearing pants at the time is none of your business.

[Rideback]

Illegal immigrants aren't stealing any election. They are not the problem.
The problem is gerrymandering where American citizens who are entitled to vote are forced to stand in long lines because of time limitations of polls being open, where registration is purposefully more difficult for people of color.
The problem is intimidation at the polls. The problem is Trump and his team blasting the media with conspiracies that have no basis in fact so that his loss will set the stage for him not to concede.

Trump has a lot on the line. Personally he'll face financial ruin, he'll face jail time, his enablers will also face jail time and bankruptcies and he won't be able to 'punish his enemies'.

He promised his followers respect if they believed in him. He borrowed from Peale's Prosperity Gospel where if you believed in the power of positive thinking you would be rewarded. When followers noted that the rewards were not respect he tells them they are victims and need to return to him with more money. Truth Social is a working example of how that's working out. These days Trump himself is losing all relevancy so followers who once believed his path gave them agency now realize that his path only leads to jail and financial ruin.

[just-jim]

….. and not intitled to vote.

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[Jingles]

And how many of your supposed 22 million working in Agriculture are illegals and not intitled to vote. As far as you working with others from the countries mentioned all I can say is WOW aren't you the big frog in the little Methow pond. Impressed Nope not in the slightest

[mister_coffee]

Let's see polls open from 8 am until 8 pm take a look around most workers now working remotely except for those in the Service industry i.e. food stores, etc. ...

Hell half the town council members can't even make it to council meetings and use zoom. IMO do away with remote work and zoom meetings

Your figures must certainly be news to the approximately 13 million American workers in manufacturing and 22 million American workers in the agricultural sector. Can you please at least try a little harder to have some actual facts when you go on your pathetic little rants?

I have no opinion about town council members using or not using Zoom. As far as I am concerned as a taxpaying citizen if they are getting the work done I don't care if they have their meetings bare nekkid in a hot tub in Mazama.

Speaking for myself, I regularly work with people from Hong Kong, San Francisco, Raleigh, New York, Boston, Warsaw, Girona, Porto, and Tallin. We sometimes have special guests from 's-Hertogenbosch, Bergen, Montreux, Austin, and Miami. How would it even be possible to get all of those people in the same office everyday without us all flying from city to city all night? Working from home lets me work with the very best people and the right people for the right jobs. We live in 2024 not 1948. Absent some nonexistent Star Trek technology what I do today would not even be possible with F2F collaboration.

Also, Zoom is nice but it isn't the only or even most important tool that you use if your colleagues are scattered all over the planet. People like you who are apparently Experts in Stuff They Know Nothing At All About just wave the term around so you can impress people who know even less -- if that is even possible.

I expect the counter to this post to start off something like:

I may not know much about arglebargle but I know a lot more than you about blah blah blah blah...

[Jingles]

https://joycevance.substack.com/p/what- ... dium=email

If in person voting is required it should be a national day off. And the polls need to stay open for those who work the swing shift or can't leave on their lunch break to vote. If the lines are too long, they wouldn't be able too.
Mail in voting has been working very well here in the state of Wa.

Let's see polls open from 8 am until 8 pm take a look around most workers now working remotely except for those in the Service industry i.e. food stores, etc. Swing shift / night shift 11pm to 7am that gives them 13 hrs to get to the polls if they really gave a dam about the way the country is going and wanted to vote. But as is happening across this country people are getting lazier by the day and don't want to be in convinced, hence work remotely from home probably in their PJ's, instead of getting up, taking a shower getting dressed and go to their place of employment where you are required to put in your 40 hrs per week to get what you are being paid for.
As far as making election DAY a day off nope already most places only working 4 days per week already and everytime you turn around another holiday for some assinine reason or other, drop back to just the 13 national holidays and be done.

Hell half the town council members can't even make it to council meetings and use zoom. IMO do away with remote work and zoom meetings

[PAL]

Great points Jim, Rideback, David.

[Rideback]

In order to register to vote ID must be provided, in some states 2 pieces. Voting by mail occurs when that same information is used to mail a ballot to the voter's address. Signatures on the ballot are compared to the original application for verification.

In person voting has run into problems when voting booths were open for shortened times, on fewer days and in one state no one is allowed to provide water to any voter standing in line. These are issues that are easily remedied by switching to mail in ballots. Geeze, even Trump mails his ballot in.

The voter fraud issues have historically been in the single digits%. And frankly, when you go state by state they are most often the result of Republican voters cheating.

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/en ... oter-fraud

[just-jim]

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Requiring in-person voting not only targets minority voters -it also disenfranchises some poor voters, some elderly voters, some with mobility problems and those in assisted living situations; they ALL lack the ability to easily get to a polling place.
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[mister_coffee]

You can "disagree" all you like. The sun still rises in the East.

From https://voteathome.org/cost-savings/ :

Several states and jurisdictions that have adopted vote-at-home have said the switch has resulted in serious cost savings. In Colorado, for example, costs decreased by an average of 40% after the state implemented its vote-at-home system because of the reduction in provisional ballots, polling locations, and poll workers. Similar results have been seen in other states. Oregon officials have concluded vote-at-home has reduced costs by a third to a half, and a 2011 cost estimate in Montana concluded vote-at-home would save the state approximately $2 million an election cycle.

And consider how things worked out in Alabama:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2015/10/01/ ... s-license/

The state of Alabama, which requires a photo ID to vote, announced this week that it would stop issuing driver’s licenses in counties where 75 percent of registered voters are black.

Due to budget cuts, Alabama Law Enforcement Agency said that 31 satellite DMV offices would no longer have access to driver’s licenses examiners, meaning that residents will need to travel to other counties to apply for licenses. The move comes just one year after the state’s voter photo ID law went into effect.

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All but Dallas and Montgomery will be closed.

Closed. In a state in which driver licenses or special photo IDs are a requirement for voting ... Every single county in which blacks make up more than 75 percent of registered voters will see their driver license office closed. Every one ... Look at the 15 counties that voted for President Barack Obama in the last presidential election. The state just decided to close driver license offices in 53 percent of them.

Look at the five counties that voted most solidly Democratic? Macon, Greene, Sumter, Lowndes and Bullock counties all had their driver license offices closed.

Look at the 10 that voted most solidly for Obama? Of those, eight – again all but Dallas and the state capital of Montgomery – had their offices closed.

Closed.

You can BS about it not being racist all you like but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck you can draw a reasonable conclusion.

[PAL]

https://joycevance.substack.com/p/what- ... dium=email

If in person voting is required it should be a national day off. And the polls need to stay open for those who work the swing shift or can't leave on their lunch break to vote. If the lines are too long, they wouldn't be able too.
Mail in voting has been working very well here in the state of Wa.

[Jingles]

Photo ID is required for making many purchases , open bank accounts, cash checks, heck need id to check books out of the library, and if a person waits to make up their mind as to which candidate best represents their views until the last minute is one of those that probably doesn't know squat about anything anyhowand are examples of lazy uninformed individuals. As far as cost less for mail in voting have to disagree on that.
The oft brought up cry of excluding anyone, that is legally entitled to do so, is pure BS, name one legitimate example of it doing so and I might reconsider, but it it used time and time again as being racist when the person saying so knows dam well it isn't. It is simply an excuse that are to lazy to get off the arse and go vote (couch potatoes)

[mister_coffee]

Except it isn't at all the "best" solution.

Vote-by-mail like we've had here for many years has for all practical purposes zero voter fraud. Vote-by-mail also costs far less to administer and operate (so small-government conservatives, if any are still left, should 100 percent support it) and on the average more people vote. I personally like vote-by-mail because I can sit here at home and google people and figure out if they are a serious nutjob or actually might be qualified for the office they seek. Hard to do that in a voting booth. Informed votes are obviously better than uninformed votes and if dozens of people are on the ballot it is a lot of work to do extensive research on every one of them.

Many states that are implementing voter ID also suspiciously close DMV offices in areas where our darker-skinned compatriots live. Or greatly limit their opening hours to one or two afternoons a week. Alabama is the most notable offender.

To me it looks like voter ID is just another way to keep black folks from voting at all and probably has nothing to do with preventing voter fraud. People who believe otherwise are drinking flav-r-aid.

[Jingles]

Simple solution to ending all controversy, from both parties, regarding voter fraud.
In-person photo ID required voting only with exception of absentee ballot for those that will be out of their respective voting districts., on Election Day not election week or month

Sometimes the best solution is the easiest.

[just-jim]

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….the next election.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... ction-vote

This is alarming…

A partial quote:

“In some ways, Trump’s attempt to challenge the election result in 2024 could look a lot like his effort in 2020. It has begun months before election day with the seeding of doubt about the integrity of the election and could continue after.

There are two key differences.

First, Trump may be better prepared. Mitchell, a close Trump ally, has spent the last few years building up a network of activists focused on local boards of elections. And the Republican National Committee’s election litigation team is now being led by Christina Bobb, an election denier who is now facing criminal charges for her efforts to overturn the 2020 race. The RNC claims it is recruiting an army of 100,000 poll observers who could provide significant disruption during voting and counting.

“I think we saw efforts by Republicans in 2020 that were pretty ham-handed,” said Marc Elias, a top Democratic voting rights lawyer. “I worry that there will be both legal and extralegal efforts by Republicans to keep ballots from being counted.”

But more significantly, the idea that the 2020 election was stolen has moved from the fringes to being a pillar of the Republican party. A January poll from PRRI found that 66% of Republicans believe the 2020 election was stolen. “The most important thing we have to do is protect the vote. You have to keep your eyes open because these people want to cheat and they do cheat, and, frankly, it’s the only thing they do well,” Trump said in a prerecorded video that played all four nights during the Republican national convention in July.

The belief in stolen elections, Elias said, was “no longer the provenance of crazy people like Rudy Giuliani, Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell. This is no longer the province of people who thought that there were bamboo filaments in paper or mythical sea creatures involved in the election with Venezuelan dictators. It has become now the standard position of the Republican party.” “
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