They’re Both Totally Unfit

[just-jim]

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Rideback….thanks for posting the HCR video! She is spot on - as a usual. I hadnt been watching her weekly spots - looks like I need to, again.

Pearl….that is the same Historian who I posted about a while back, who said ‘Biden cant lose’.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... l-election

I think this recent piece makes sense……
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This could work, if you think about it. It might get the younger vote and definitely people of color and women.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/ ... ld-resign/

[Rideback]

A quick you tube from HCR on the media created hoopla
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQNtIPfDyh8

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Jingles, see Rideback's reply. Some of the things that come out of Trump's mouth or rather alot of the subjects, are lies. Lies about the US. Hey, let's turn the tables. Remember how people used to say, love it or leave it? You know you have that choice.

[Rideback]

Jingles, unfortunately for your argument that Trump is right; the US still has the strongest military in the world
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2024/01/ ... 0stability.

Our borders are as secure as they've ever been and global opinions about the US remain steadfast if not higher than they were during the Trump admin.

It's actually pretty easy, everything coming out of Trump's mouth is a lie. Look at the fact checking from the debate. He has no record to run on and so he chooses to lie about Biden's. It's called a Gish Gallop.

[Jingles]

Yes, Rideback, thanks for posting that. Absolutely! Trump is trash talking the US.

Pearl please explain how Trump is trash talking about the US? He stated that the,US is no longer has the strongest military, he stated the US currently has no border, he stated that the current Administration is a joke and an embarrassment to the people.ALL of which are true statements except to those that have TDS.
No I am not saying Trump would be my first choice to be the next President but it sure beats the hell out of Biden for another 4 years IF he survives that long, and that was a BIG IF, he might make it physically but I have my doubts he will mentally.
My hopes are that should Trump win he picks a Constitutional Conservative to oversee the Senate ( job of the VP) that says we will not even take up any bills with multiple topics or filled with pork

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/ ... 506e&ei=16

[Jingles]

Unfortunately the rest of the world is looking at Thursdays debate and are thinking/saying these 2 are the Best America has to offer as their leader? The clowns are in charge of the circus

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Yes, Rideback, thanks for posting that. Absolutely! Trump is trash talking the US.

[Rideback]

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editor ... sORP_8-srA

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The Dems should have been thinking about this a year ago. However, what concerns me that if Biden steps aside, what idiotic choice will they make in choosing someone else? Kamala? Please no. I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Hakeem Jefferies or Eric Swalwell. I wouldn't mind seeing Adam Kinzinger, although he would have to declare himself a democrat.
People have to remember what Trump said, over and over, the lies. Yeah sure, Biden's performance sucked, but when he was articulate, he told the truth or had only 7 untruths to Trump's 30.
Yesterday Biden had a rally and he was quite strong.
IMO he needs to do more of this and also address the Nation to refute the lies which would be to state his platform.

[just-jim]

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I agree, Ray.

Another - similar - view. The Guardian’s take on the NY Times’ position:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... ite-moment

“But the greatest public service Mr Biden can now perform is to announce that he will not continue to run for re-election,” it intoned.

“As it stands, the president is engaged in a reckless gamble. There are Democratic leaders better equipped to present clear, compelling and energetic alternatives to a second Trump presidency … It’s too big a bet to simply hope Americans will overlook or discount Mr Biden’s age and infirmity that they see with their own eyes.”

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[pasayten]

They’re Both Totally Unfit
Opinion by Elizabeth Bruenig - The Atlantic

The first presidential debate of this election cycle is over, and what a depressing spectacle it was. I can’t remember feeling guilty watching a campaign event before, but seeing the exchanges between Joe Biden and Donald Trump felt like participating in elder abuse. There’s nothing winsome about pestering old men with incessant questions as if to deny them the dignity of their dotage.

Biden was particularly ill-served by the proceedings. From the moment he shuffled onstage and muttered his first answer in a hushed and wheezing monotone, it was clear that he is too old for the job he has right now, and certainly too old for another four-year term. The president is in the wintertime of his life. He ought to rest.

Trump, meanwhile, was much the same as he always has been, if somewhat muted—more mottled now, less coppery, hair thinned out to the soft white blond of a towheaded child. He ignored every question posed to him, repeating bizarre lies (for instance, it does not appear that “hundreds of thousands” of people are being murdered by migrants in New York or anywhere else) until his time ran out. Biden seemed in worse condition, but Trump was by no means sharp.
When pressed gently about his age, Biden said that for a long time, he was the youngest guy in politics, and now he’s one of the oldest; the answer then veered into a discussion of “computer chips.” Like two geezers in a nursing home, the men squabbled over golf handicaps as though a low-enough score could convince onlookers of their good health. If the debate itself was an assessment of the candidates’ acuity, nobody prevailed.

Biden and Trump did engage substantively on some issues. There was a barely followable exchange over abortion during which Trump refused to take up a typical GOP pro-life stance and instead counseled voters, “You gotta follow your heart.” They battled over who has catered best to veterans, bickering about Trump’s deranged comments on the war dead. They competed to express unremitting support for Israel in its war against Hamas, despite the destruction of Gaza. There was very little policy to argue about, but presidential debates aren’t about policy; they’re about creating impressions. And the impression was bad.

Theoretically, we came to this juncture—this choice between incapacity and malice—through the operation of democracy, meaning that it’s a quandary we ourselves chose. But Biden knows this much: The will of the people can be wrong. When asked whether Trump’s supporters are voting against democracy, he said the ones who vote for the former president are indeed intent upon reversing democratic methods and norms. In that case, there are people in America whose will is to destroy it. Candidates often accuse their opponents’ supporters of voting against their own best interests, but these voters seem set on voting against everyone’s best interests.

The candidates said some factual things and some false things, but only one message came across as true: Our nation is shambling along the road to hell, and there doesn’t appear to be an off-ramp. “We are living in a rat’s nest,” Trump said, right for the wrong reasons. “We’re like a bunch of stupid people,” he went on; “we’re a failing nation.” Absolutely, but not because of migrants or the Chinese or the Russians: This mess is made in America, and all of us are going to suffer for it.